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50nl OOP =/ JJ squeeze unsure on flop and turn 50nl OOP =/ JJ squeeze unsure on flop and turn

10-24-2008 , 12:07 AM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP2: $26.05
CO: $34.85
BTN: $54.35
SB: $85.60
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $51.60
UTG+1: $49.50
UTG+2: $48.75
MP1: $52.95

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with J J
5 folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, BTN calls $5.50

Flop: ($15.75) 2 A K (2 players)
Hero bets $10, BTN calls $10

Turn: ($35.75) 6 (2 players)
Hero ??

original raiser is a 40/20 fish so I want to get the JJ's in. He doesn't call but an unknown calls. I want comments on flop and turn
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10-24-2008 , 12:15 AM
I think you can shut down after he calls your cbet.
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10-24-2008 , 12:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Autist18
I think you can shut down after he calls your cbet.
do u c bet?
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10-24-2008 , 12:46 AM
I think I check-fold

Too many Ax and Kx hands in his range.
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10-24-2008 , 12:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Autist18
I think I check-fold

Too many Ax and Kx hands in his range.
Like what? The only hand that I can see play like this is AQ/KQ/QQ. You think unknown is calling a raise then calling a 3 bet with AK? AA? KK? FWIW I dont think he is doing it with AQ or KQ. So the only hand he has there is like QQ and he may fold it to a c bet dunno. I dunno more FEEEEEEEEED BACK I don't see what he can have that plays like that tbh. I agree with your turn c/f 100%. I just don't know what to do on the flop. Also if I check flop and he checks back you check it down?
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10-24-2008 , 12:59 AM
Ya, I agree with Autist about a c/f on the flop.
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10-24-2008 , 01:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by noidea555
Ya, I agree with Autist about a c/f on the flop.
try to check it down if he checks behind right. Im still stuck on what he plays like that pre.
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10-24-2008 , 01:12 AM
If he is playing 40/20 over 100 hands or more, then the bottom of his range is probably something like ATo or KJo.
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10-24-2008 , 01:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Autist18
If he is playing 40/20 over 100 hands or more, then the bottom of his range is probably something like ATo or KJo.
I think you miss read....orginal raiser WHO FOLDED is 40/20 the ugy who called is unknown I have like 5 hands on him...
Im not trying to be a dick I have come around c/f is probably better i just want to know what you put him to make this c/f. Like oh **** A and K hit time to fold...?
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10-24-2008 , 01:15 AM
Oh, I am sorry.

Will edit in a minute.

Yeah, his line seems pretty weird. I assume that an unknown would 3bet the original raiser with JJ+. So I exclude those hands. Only thing that makes sense really is AK/AQ?
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10-24-2008 , 01:19 AM
This flop sucks to c-bet with JJ, doesn't matter if you "always c-bet here" or not, the larger and more important picture is that your hand has value and you won't get calls from worse. The only better hand you'll fold is QQ.

c/f turn as played.
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10-24-2008 , 01:29 AM
c/f turn and river
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10-24-2008 , 01:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by zyrrth
c/f turn and river
do u c/f flop? =O ill stop now...

TY guys.
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10-24-2008 , 05:59 AM
You have to CB here. Shut down when called.
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10-24-2008 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
You have to CB here. Shut down when called.
can u elaborate? pleaaaaaaaaaaaase i be ur friend if u explain =/
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10-24-2008 , 06:20 AM
Well there is not too much to elaborate on tbh, basically you're repping a big hand PF and this board hits most of your range there straight in the face. Therefore you have to bet there to take the pot down, you can't allow villain to win this pot with say QQ,KQ when he is folding those to a CB on this board 100% of the time (ok, let's say 95%). And it's not like we get value later in the hand from lower pairs that setmined PF and that did not get there on the flop.
I also think it's important to CB here for balancing purposes because I can't imagine that you check AK,AA,KK or AQ here, so if you only CB your really strong made hands after 3betting PF it's going to be far to easy for villain to pick up on that.
For example: there is a regular at my stakes who NEVER CBs JJ,QQ,KK on an A hi board oop, he also always folds those if someone bets after he checked. Pretty exploitable, right?

Regarding shutting down when called: don't really think I need to explain that but when he calls your CB on a dry board like this, his range is heavily polarized to hands that have you beat and, more importantly, hands that are extremely unlikely to fold to further agression.
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10-24-2008 , 08:04 AM
Against an unknown I'd cbet this. We don't often get called by worse or fold out better, but the value of taking down the pot is more important here.
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10-24-2008 , 01:37 PM
What Alex said, this drills our range and does not hit his. We can collect the dead money now and prevent ourselves from being bluffed off the best hand.
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10-24-2008 , 01:47 PM
I like a Cbet on the flop but you have to shut down on turn he has you crushed.

all the mid pairs are folding (most of the time if he is solid reg) 99-QQ, AJ KQ (maybe).

I'd make the bet closer to 1/2 pot.

2c
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10-24-2008 , 02:00 PM
c-bet flop. You repped a big and PF, so follow-up and you'll take the pot down most times.
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10-24-2008 , 06:58 PM
i cbet here put I try to make it closer to half pot.
I found this to be better for many purposes, and I don't really see anyone calling a bet if they don't have the A or K.
I also cbet closer to half the pot with my big hands to keep my range disguised, try it out, it works for me
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