Ok, I talked about it breifly in the video. But my logic was that if we cbet this flop, villain is going to fold out all made hands that we have beaten and call or c/r w/ lots of draws and pair A type hands.

Basically, on that board we can easily be c/r'd by a number of his holdings. This was/is my main deterent from betting the flop.

I'm less concerned w/ protecting vs draws for the following reason. If the draw comes in and he puts in action we can fold obviously. However, we are often beat in multiple ways whether it be w/ just an A or when the draw will inevitably come in. So lets assume we cbet this flop and get called and a blank comes on the turn, he could be calling w/ both As and various draws, and now we are in an odd spot on the turn, do we double barrell again to protect or do we check it through and give him a free river? What if river blanks off again and now he donks into us? Do we put him on missed draw or is he valuetowning us w/ an A?

It's more like we are trying to avoid pushing out the rare/few hands we beat (that probably are never going to give us much value anyways) and save us from being in akward spots later in the hand.

Also, by checking this flop we are able to basically blow from his mind that we ever have an A, so maybe on later streets we can now get 1bet out of hands we have beat, whereas, he certainly folds those hands on the flop.

I guess my philosphy is in spots like that where we have a very marginal hand relative to the board and his likely range, my main goal is to get to showdown and get at least 1street of value.

Hope that makes sense...

Depends on your table dynamics and your image. If you have an aggressive table or if you have a bad table image, obv. we should be less inclined to open a hand like AQo UTG.

However, I think generally at uNL most table atmospheres are on the more passive side and we really aren't going to get 3bet very often or taken advtange of. Plus, a lot of these players play very poorly, so I don't mind playing OOP postflop.

Second, players at these levels really don't pay attention to table image all that much they are basically 0 level thinkers. So, I think vs these non observant opponents we can open a lot looser in EP, simply because they never notice.

I'd still open it UTG at 10max tables, assuming the above factors are in our favor.

Yup, in future videos Ill focus on what the stats tell us about that player and how we assign hand ranges and alter our play based on those stats.

About the 3betting ranges and should you be 3betting light at uNL. Basically, the limit you are playing is irrelevant. Its all about situations and players. If a player is too passive and they fold to 3bets too much or open a wide range then call and fold to cbets too much. Obv we can 3bet these players light. It's kind of hard to have a set forumla or a set way to go about deciding what hands to what with preflop. Basically you need to recognize the types of players and have a good reason for 3betting (or taking any action really).

I'll talk about this more in my next video, as I think it goes hand in hand w/ using stats to make decisions.

Yea maybe in the future, I'll do a multi-tabling video (8+ tables, maybe even 18-20 who knows). Probably not for a few weeks though.

You hit it right on the hand its about our relative posistion and also the texture of the board.

In the hand in the video, I think the board was kind of wet as well? (Don't have acess to the video at the moment haha). But when we are oop in a multiway pot like that the reasons we lead instead of c/r are;

1) We have an oppurtunity to trap the player stuck in the middle for an extra bet. Basically, if the board is wet, they could conceivably call our lead, the original raiser now reraises to protect his hand, and we get a chance now to 3bet and shut out the middle player just like we would if we c/r'd only this way we gained an extra bet from them. Make sense?

2) We don't want to run the risk in multiway pots on wet boards of allowing the PFR to check through. Whether they do this w/ Ahi or whatever else, we just don't want to give them the choice.

3) They might call the donk w/ overs whereas they might have checked through otherwise.

But yea it all depends on the texture of the board, if the pot is multiway or not and various other factors.

Donking into PFR HU when we flop strong is something for another topic and something hopefully will come up and I can touch on in my other videos. But some of the logic behind it is similar to reasons 2 and 3 above, and there are other things to consider that I will go into another time.

Moving on, w/ the cbetting on wet boards that I said was bad for cbetting yet I did it anyways. It's not much that I realize after it was a bad board to cbet, becuase if you notice I say they are bad to cbet before we even cbet ha. But the reasons for cbetting are basically, at these stakes 100 and lower, I think i generally just tend to error on the side of aggression, just because the general player at these limits is just so so passive, and we really never have to worry about getting semi-bluffed or pure bluffed raised off our holdings. So we safely cbet/fold almost all the time even on wet boards if the pot is HU. Multiway though, I'm much more careful.

1) This shouldn't be a concern, in fact this what we want. We just have to learn to adjust. If players are playing this way we can exploit them by getting multiple streets of value from our very marginal hands and if we start showing these hands down, ideally we can get away w/ more "bluffy" cbets and 2barrells in the future, because we are taking the same aggressive lines w/ our hands that are showdownable.

Also, vs some players we need to learn not to cbet boards that arent good to be cbetting. It all comes down to assigning hand ranges and reading board texture and then playing accordinly. But ultimatly, we shouldn't mind playing in raised pots w/ marginal holdings vs these players, because, we are going to be playing better postflop.

2) I think I explained this semi-well in the video. There are two reasons we 3bet here; Reason one, the coldcalling range of that villain is weighted very heavily towards pcoket pairs and suicted connectors/gappers. These hands cannot call a 3bet. Second reason, is that our 3bet here looks very strong, much stronger then the actual hand we have. The EP raiser has to not only worry now about what hand we have that was good enough to 3bet his open and a coldcaller but he also has to worry about the coldcaller maybe slowplaying a big hand, etc. So he has to now play his hand very honestly. Essentially it was kind of "fancy play syndrome" but in that particular situation all the variables were lined up and its probably was the optimal play.

3) I think he calls that river raise w/ an overpair, not much else to it.

i liked the video - make more plz - but 6 tables - just more action.

i liked your style - and to 3bet suited connecters - i'll put that into my style now (i would have played pretty simular *proud*^^)

you surprised me only in 2 situations - the KK on the Ace high board ( i would have fired a conti 80% of the time there :S)

and the J9o were you hit the straight on the river - and reraised - i would definatly only called there :-/. (e.g. for information with what he minraises :S)

On your quad Kings hand, why did you believe that a mid-pair could call a 3/4 psb on the river? I fully agree that along with totally random bluffs, these hands are in his range. I'm more inclined to try and valuebet less there, something like 1/3-1/2 pot, especially because of the 3-flush. Could you elaborate on that river bet size?

~20:30ish in the video

Last observation, at the very end against the SS who bought for 60bbs--don't you think that along with Ax, his range might include some PPs that won't call a double barrel--but will call a river bet when the turn checks through?

I rather prefer your line there.

uploading the pahud setup would be cool

Great video ryan, and thx for the followup here.

PS - you get more hands 4 tabling for an hour than I do 10 tabling for 3. can i borrow that boomswitch for a week?

Ryan, great video, thanks. Keep 'em coming, I even created a nice little folder for your future videos into my hard drive.

You need to tell us how one can get so many AK's in one session.

Thanks for doing this, Ryan. As a recovering nit (one of those tight fish you like to exploit), I learned a lot about how to open my game and be more aggressive IP.

One thing I noticed is that in your HUD you have "went to showdown" and "won at showdown". I have some idea of how you would use this stat in developing reads, but I would be very interested in a more in-depth explanation of how you use this stat in the heat of battle.

Thanks!

Could someone re-upload this vid to some other site, like rapidshare, please? Megaupload never works for me And I really wanna see it.

Thanks for the video Ryan! I need to work on opening up my 3betting range and this will definitely help. I don't really have any comments except for the AK on A22 and KK on A high flops.

AK on A22, I actually like the check behind on the turn because it brings along some hands that don't always 3bet preflop but would like to see a showdown like JJ/TT/99 which I think you might only get the cbet + 1 more street of value out of. I think they are more likely to call the river than the turn especially if you look weak on the turn. If he's giving you no credit at all for most of the time I still don't think you get 3 streets of value out of those hands.

KK on the A high flop, I like the check behind on the flop because the cbet makes it easy for villain to c/r you off the hand cheaply. On the other hand, what do you do when villain bets the turn? Do you go into call down mode? I find myself in tough spots like this with KK/QQ a lot.

I like the video format, too. I would stick to 4 tables.

Thanks for making the video, going to D/L and watch it on the weekend.

These are great for getting another perspective on the game / types of hands and fun to watch when I need a poker fix but am in no condition to play

I prefer 4 tables in a video. Split Suites 9 tabling vids are too hard to follow. I also like the way you labeled your tables 1,2,3 & 4, this really helped me to follow your actions.

I watched it last night and my pfr went from 10 to 11 unintentionally. LOL

I agree. Split Suits video was good but too hard to follow for training purposes.

I just finished a session tonight on $25NL and opened up my game a notch and got more aggressive than usual post flop. It feels a bit uncomfortable at first but the results were pretty good

Very nice video. Video and audio quality are very good and 4 tables is just right imo.
Please make another one soon.

About the QQ vs KK and AA hand (and also the J9 vs the minraise): It is my experience (at mostly 25nl and some 50nl) that this is AA a lot of the time. What handranges do you put let's say a donkey, a TAG and a LAG on when they do this?

Maybe this was answered before, but how many tables do you normally play and whats ur winrate?

Really liked this. Video and Audio are 100%.
I think there is a setting in PAHUD "Use flicker free drawing" that might fix your stats flicking.

I decided to try 3-betting light at NL25. To keep it simple I decided to attack players like myself - TAGs who like to steal.
So each time a 15/8/x went for my blind I took him on my 3-bet train and they usually wanted to get off at the pre-flop station.

I think you are planning to go into detail on your next vid but here are some points Im not sure of.
(1) Since we are betting 3 to win 1 we have to win 75% to make a profit preflop. This is a bit of a stretch @ NL25 so do we need to keep an eye on "Fold to C-bet" stat to make sure we have proper fold equity should we see a flop.
(2) Its safe enough to ignore a nit (like 8/6/x) unless you have the goods right?
(3) Whats the plan if a bad LAG 30/12/x raises from the button? Im assuming the range needs to be tighter than against TAG 15/12/x (even though their opening ranges are prety much the same).
My reasoning behind this is that "bad LAG" is more likely to call the 3-bet and call a c-bet with something A9 on a K97 board.
(4) I ran into my biggest problems against unknowns. Would it be correct not to make this kind of play without a hald decent read (100 hands+)

Thanks again and looking forward to next vid.
PS - 4 Tables is fine but if your going into real nitty gritty maybe 2 tables would be enough. Most of the time you could be talking about the position your in and what the plan is with different ranges other than what you hold.

LOL bad beat alarm!

I really look forward to the rest of the videos Ryan, it seems like you are really interested in educating and you seem intelligent as well so I think we will all benefit from this series.

I would prefer at least 4 tables. I am really trying to multi table better but I still don't think I play nearly as well when 12 tabling as when 6 tabling. I would like to hear how your HUD stats affect your decisions, particularly the showdown stats.
Also, when to double and triple barrel are things I have been working on a lot

More tables the better. Most stuff is standard anyways. Anything you forget to mention I'm sure you'd talk about (if asked) in that videos thread. I enjoyed Lucifers 18 table vid and Split Suits isn't hard to follow, JMO ofc.

I put a copy on my server if you want to download it:

http://bluishcoder.co.nz/poker/ryancmu1.avi

Hope ryancmu doesn't mind. Let me know if so and I can remove it.

My stats over 70k were 13/8/2. Played 1.5k after watching this video and ran at 20/13/4 and it was fun.
I think I just need to refine the application of some of the concepts.

Nice video and awesome alerts! xD

I think 4-6 tables it would be fine