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Bad flop c/r, bluff signal? Bad flop c/r, bluff signal?

12-02-2008 , 04:40 PM
Hey guys, I'd love for you all to rip me apart in this hand...

About 20 hands on villain at the time, he was running something close to 35/35/5 FWIW (wouldn't mind hearing some opinions on just how much that's worth, if anything).

At the time I was thinking, well, I'm not even sure what. Something along the lines of "he called this 3bet preflop IP, probably thinks I 3bet him light so called fairly light and will probably show aggression if I check here, regardless of his marginal hand" so I figured I'd bluff him off it with a c/r. Clearly many things wrong with this thought process, very narrow-minded. Then the call afterwards was pretty questionable also.

Anyway, welcoming all criticism. Tear me apart...


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $48.00
CO: $49.95
BTN: $53.70
SB: $74.75
Hero (BB): $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q K
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6.50, BTN calls $4.75

Flop: ($13.25) 3 7 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7, Hero raises to $20, BTN raises to $47.20 all in, Hero calls $23.50 all in

Turn: ($100.25) J (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($100.25) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $100.25
BTN shows 9 9 (a flush, Ace high)
Hero shows Q K (Ace King high)
BTN wins $97.25
(Rake: $3.00)
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12-02-2008 , 04:46 PM
just keep it simple and either b/f or c/f the flop. you really don't know much about this guy, so no sense in getting fancy.
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12-02-2008 , 04:50 PM
just c/f the flop, so much of his defending range is at least peeling here
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12-02-2008 , 04:55 PM
yeah this is an awful flop to ever push him off a pair or a draw
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12-02-2008 , 04:57 PM
first of all a player with that stats at this stakes seldom thinks what you have and even knows about the 3b concept. unless he has complete garbage he'd call you

why would you want kqs oop to build a huge pot. that hand can flop well and could just check than check fold or check raise ocasionally when you miss.

even as played the flop texture is bad for a check raise youd be called by lot o draws, pp or overpairs better than yours. your raise oop with air on a textured board on a 3b preflop.
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12-02-2008 , 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kolotoure
just c/f the flop, so much of his defending range is at least peeling here
What is "peeling"?

I agree with the other comments that this was a bad spot to try to push him off a hand like a mid-PP or draw.

What kind of hand range are you assigning him after he calls my 3bet?

Also, putting aside what he actually did in this case, would you consider this flop c/r a good move with, say, QQ? Would you strongly favor betting out this flop over attempting a c/r here?

Ultimately I think in some twisted, misguided sense I did this to "defend against a bluff". I figured, ok he's attempting to steal, I 3bet, decent chance he's calling me fairly light here. I don't want to cbet this fairly large 3bet pot and have him bluff me off here, even though I don't have anything. Instead, I'LL bluff HIM... yeah THAT'S what I'll do, THAT'LL SHOW HIM...

This certainly wasn't my internal monologue at the time which I'm sure was closer to the sound of crickets but maybe this entered my mind at some point? Clearly not a winning poker attitude/thought process/lack thereof. But if anyone has any advice that might speak to this, aside from "stop being an idiot and playing bad poker" it would also be much appreciated.
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12-02-2008 , 05:25 PM
the money in the blinds are no longer yours so he didn't wanted to steal anthing from you. dont overplay QKs OOP. the hand is good to win medium sized pots or big ones when you hit monsters. unimproved is a garbage hand OOP. you will only get called by better hands in this 3bet preflop pot
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