The vast majority of the time this seems to work well at this limit. If I flat I get a bazillion callers and basically have to give up if the board has any overs. Seems most of the time either it's someone that will fold or call with worse. The fact that he's in MP too most of them can do this with way worse.

0.02/0.05 NL Holdem

UTG 100 BB
UTG+1 100 BB
UTG+2 100 BB
UTG+3 100 BB
UTG+4 100 BB
Hero 100 BB
BTN 100 BB
SB 100 BB
BB 100 BB

Pre Flop: (0.07) Hero has JJ

fold, UTG+1 calls 0.05, fold, UTG+3 calls 0.05, UTG+4 raises 0.25, Hero raises 0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+4 raises 2.25, Hero folds

So you are basically asking if bluffing with JJ is good right? Just so I understand.

I'm not sure I would call it a bluff because when readless, I'm going to get more value from 3-betting than from flatting unless I hit my set. Unless I'm rolling with this no matter what, but shoving after a 4-bet seems bad.

In my playbook, that is a call for a variety of reasons. One being - we get forced into tuff spots often, another might be that our hand doesn't really want alot of interest from other players to get lots of money into the pot. Cool your jets and call.

I meant just flat call the first raise, not call his 4 bet =)

I mean I don't mind flatting with JJ, but in these stakes half the board will call. Is that really the best play? I think vast majority of the time an unknown is raising with stuff like KQ or AJ or 77 and will call my 3-bet. Very rare where I get 4-bet.

Your point IS a valid one. Imo its just a thin value way to play vs that player. Its not like three betting JJ there would be a bad play, I just think calling is a little better, so thats what I do.

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Ya, that too

+1

I like pre just go smaller I think. 65c achieves the same as 75c I feel.

I like the 3bet with intentions to fold vs a 4bet mentality in this spot.

Sure enough,if you just flat,all the limpers will call as well so now your hand turns to a setmine mostly.
If you 3bet on the other hand,you usually get HU vs the isolator,who could very possibly be isolating with a smaller strong pair like 99/TT or AK/AQ,and in FR he'll usually call with those instead of 4betting in which case you do great against all of those hands especially with position and the initiative.
Many ppl even flat QQ in this spot vs a 3bet,so youll be able to pot control postflop and wont have to fear about him betting you off the best hand,as ppl tend to play more straightforward in 3bet pots imo.

Once he 4bets,i dont think hes turning anything into a bluff,could be doing it AK but that is very player dependent,so sticking to your preflop plan most of the time and folding seems fine.

Well played imo.

^^

Those were pretty much my thoughts. It would be almost set mining with a ton of callers.

Woolly probably makes a good point too that I can save some money in case this rare 4-bet comes by just going to 65 instead.

You make some good points, Do you think its possible though that you over value this attribute to the hand and think it comes into play more than it does?