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08-11-2012, 10:37 AM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Staking on HSC
Posts: 4,730
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Re: River raise too thin?
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I prefer to play my hands passively to try and counteract the aggression of other players and use it against them.
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A) I hope you can see how much this is costing you.
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definitely shouldn't be setmining if you're going to play your hand like this
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08-11-2012, 10:42 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,790
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Re: River raise too thin?
if they are folding AK to just a flop raise, you should be raising flop 100% of the time with your nonset hands
see if they still won't continue with worse in the future
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08-11-2012, 10:52 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 4,099
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Re: River raise too thin?
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
if they are folding AK to just a flop raise, you should be raising flop 100% of the time with your nonset hands
see if they still won't continue with worse in the future
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The player pool is so large at stars though that I'm not going to try to do too much to develop a 'history' with any particular player.
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08-11-2012, 10:55 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Re: River raise too thin?
i dont understand then, if you have no history how do you know he will fold AK, AQ, AT?, combo draws?
it's a standard problem i encounter with a lot of ppl i work with "i cant bluff, but I can't value raise the 3rd nuts" these 2 things in the same sentence pretty much make no sense
if you aren't developing "history" and they are seriously folding this much to flop raises, then go back to my first post
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08-11-2012, 11:00 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Re: River raise too thin?
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
i dont understand then, if you have no history how do you know he will fold AK, AQ, AT?, combo draws?
it's a standard problem i encounter with a lot of ppl i work with "i cant bluff, but I can't value raise the 3rd nuts" these 2 things in the same sentence pretty much make no sense
if you aren't developing "history" and they are seriously folding this much to flop raises, then go back to my first post
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Yes, if they are folding a lot to flop raises, then I should be raising my air here.
However, in this hand, I don't have air, I have a set. Hence I should call and keep them in the pot right? Do you follow now?
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08-11-2012, 11:02 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Re: River raise too thin?
yes, if they really fold 80%+ of the time, you should never raise the flop for value with anything ever, I agree with that
but you also need to be bluffing 100% - do you agree with that?
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08-11-2012, 11:10 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Re: River raise too thin?
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Originally Posted by pokerarb
yes, if they really fold 80%+ of the time, you should never raise the flop for value with anything ever, I agree with that
but you also need to be bluffing 100% - do you agree with that?
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I agree that we should be bluffing a lot, but not 100% as that can then expose what you are doing, so you still want to be giving them the pot a fair bit, but still bluffing a good amount too.
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08-11-2012, 11:15 AM
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 931
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Re: River raise too thin?
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Originally Posted by Pokie
I agree that we should be bluffing a lot, but not 100% as that can then expose what you are doing, so you still want to be giving them the pot a fair bit, but still bluffing a good amount too.
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whats your raise flop %? raise turn %?
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08-11-2012, 11:28 AM
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banned
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Staking on HSC
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Re: River raise too thin?
OP, I'm not sure why you posted if you're going to argue the merits of your weak and unprofitable playing style.
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08-11-2012, 11:54 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: BBV heaven
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Re: River raise too thin?
This is a very cool hand. - Tom Dwan
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08-11-2012, 12:04 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Re: River raise too thin?
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
OP, I'm not sure why you posted if you're going to argue the merits of your weak and unprofitable playing style.
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I posted it for the river play. I am not sure on whether I played the river correctly. Should I have raised?
I understand that most people think I played pre-flop, flop and turn incorrectly because I didn't take a standard line. However, I am comfortable with my play here.
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08-11-2012, 01:36 PM
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#27
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Trying to make brains work again
Posts: 3,699
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Re: River raise too thin?
if you dont want to raise, it's not a disaster, but at least bet turn...
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08-11-2012, 01:46 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: United Kingdom
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Re: River raise too thin?
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Originally Posted by Kreuznagel
Just going to answer your actual question: Your hand is good in this spot most of the time, unless he has exactly QQ. He can call with a lot of worse hands (if you have the proper image).
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Overall I have to say the hand is played fairly weak and you let villain get away cheaply. Raise the flop as your going to get alot Ax ect type hands in. The check on the turn is horrible, bet just under half pot and the hands that called the flop will call the turn bet a high % of the time. The call on the river is just ridiculously nitty. By calling you are thinking you only have ' show down value (SDV)'  but your hand is so much stronger than this. As played - if you raise the river to around $13 then he will be calling with his ' SDV' hands (like KJ ect). You may even induce him to come over the top and in which case you get to play for stacks!
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08-11-2012, 01:57 PM
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#29
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Showing who's the boss
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Re: River raise too thin?
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Originally Posted by Hicham009
Not the odds to setmine, and definitely shouldn't be setmining if you're going to play your hand like this.
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not the odds to setmine? 1,50*15 = 22,5, so he has the right odds, since his stack is 50+ and villain too.
But i agree that if you setmine playing passive like that is wrong, then if you play like that, you shouldn't be setmining
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08-11-2012, 02:01 PM
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#30
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,641
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Re: River raise too thin?
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Originally Posted by Pokie
I posted it for the river play. I am not sure on whether I played the river correctly. Should I have raised?
I understand that most people think I played pre-flop, flop and turn incorrectly because I didn't take a standard line. However, I am comfortable with my play here.
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You should play a style you wish to play, and if it's profitable than hats off to you sir. But for the love of baby Jesus, at least agree that you should've raised the flop and/or bet the turn?
Out of all the spots you could've gotten aggresive, I'd say the river is the worst one. Still raising it, but I'd never play a set like this. Because it goes against all basic ideas behind setmining.
Pokie: Let's setmine with 88, and when we hit, we try to win as little as possible so that in the rare occassion he does have a better set, I also lose the least and can show 2+2 what a sicko I am.
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