Hey, do you think it's a good idea to keep doing that? When I get to 150bb or more, I prefer to avoid playing deeper, so I reset to 100bb, I do it mostly because I take a lot of thin valuebet lines, so I end up broke for less when the opponent has a better hand, also I usually play very aggressive and sometimes make huge bluffs, even like 300bb deep, so by going with a 100bb stack it limiits my losses

the problem is that by doing that I'll gain less from deep stacked fish, and it's annoying to reopen ZOOM tables, is this fine trade?

I know it's not a decent sample size, but here are the graphs of the hands that I started with 100-150bb



And this is the graph of the ones with 150bb+

stack size isn't your problem but you're too delusional/arrogant to listen to advice that will actually help you.

if I'm a person who tilts like crazy, then isn't it a good idea to reduce the losses from when I tilt by using smaller stack sizes?

I usually saw myself stealing a lot of blinds and small pots, then just to lose on an super weird all-in bluff.

I don't play like that because I think it's right, but because I can't, simple as that, I'm trying to control the rampage and monkey plays, but it still happens.

so the issue is mental game, not stack size.

the deeper we get the larger our edge gets (or at least should, theoretically) and therefore gains us more EV.

tilting, making bad decisions due to a poor mental game = -EV

The thing I don't get is if I'm playing 2nl and the effetives are like 400bb's (players in pot) and im sitting with KK and get shoved on thats a kinda ****ty spot for someone trying to build their roll. So yeah I think over a certain ammount nothing wrong reseting imo.

We shouldn't be looking to get KK in pre 400 BB's deep tho.

You do know you can vary your bet-sizing and not just "herp-derp, I jam", right....?

Yeah makes sense, but even with aces, I'd rather run that 4 times seperatley than all at once.

It looks like youve already done the analysis yourself.

Do what makes you feel most comfortable.

The thing is that the sample size is pretty small, so taking out conclusions over 20k hands is underestimating variance.

also I feel that I'm not that good of a player, specially deep. I'm usually making use of a theory I have of the "last word" also, as an example, imagine 2 players with weak ranges and raising-reraising, going aggressive post-flop and pre-flop, the one who shoves first is the one who will win more money from the other.

If both your 4-bet range and villain's 5-bet shove range are weak, then who goes all-in first will have an edge over the other, so I usually use all my stack for things like that vs certain players.

my game is extremely exploitable while deep stacked, and I can't use many resources such as hand merging profitably, which I believe is my biggest move and it's the one I'm trying to perfect the most.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 114.8 BB
SB: 113.24 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 90)
BB: 134.08 BB (VPIP: 23.46, PFR: 19.36, 3Bet Preflop: 10.06, Hands: 449)
UTG: 364.24 BB (VPIP: 27.01, PFR: 21.72, 3Bet Preflop: 11.56, Hands: 563)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.05, PFR: 10.34, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 92)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.26, PFR: 17.76, 3Bet Preflop: 6.22, Hands: 487)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BB raises to 9.4 BB, Hero calls 6.4 BB

Flop: (19.2 BB, 2 players) 9 T K
BB checks, Hero bets 9.88 BB, BB calls 9.88 BB

Turn: (38.96 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 20.08 BB, BB calls 20.08 BB

River: (79.12 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets 75.44 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 75.56 BB


By using hand merging, I can bluff more on certain spots, otherwise people could call me off profitably with TP on spots like these. And by applying such pressure and if villains knows that if they call my first barrel, they will probably have to call a turn one and a river shove, they will have to play tighter, respect more my flop cbets and turn cbets, making the game way easier for me. I believe this approach doesn't have the most EV possible, but it makes the game easier for me and harder for the opponents, reducing the mistakes I'll make and increase villain's chances of making bad decisions.

So if I'm dealing with a villain who is better at poker than me, then it's possible that moves like those will make me a +EV player vs him until he takes his time to figure out what I'm doing, maybe it's impossible to do that in huge player pools like ZOOM, since we won't be playing many hands together.

also playing deep is hard, very hard, maybe it's not worth the time to master it.

yeah, but if I'm betting a 50% air, 25% merged and 25% nut range OTR, if I'm deep, villain can shove profitably with his entire range.

By going all-in he has only 2 options: call or fold

Hi Rapidesh123, like others have mentioned your problem isn't stack size.

Out of curiosity, what stakes are you playing? In 2NL and 5NL and possibly higher micros there is absolutely no point in pulling crazy bluffs. Sure, you'll have fun but it won't make you a winning player and will increase your variance a lot. That doesn't mean you can't thin value bet or occasionally take a stab (other than a c-bet).

That variance thing I mentioned contributes to why your graph looks the way it looks. Your initial question is around the fear of losing a big stack and it has 100% to do with your style of play.

When you are beating the game you WANT to have a big stack, actually the biggest at the table, because sooner or later you will stack a fish. If you get stacked while playing good poker and getting it all-in when you are ahead, that's just poker. Wouldn't you rather go all-in with AA having a 150BB stack? Sure, you'll lose sometimes but long term you'll come out a winner.

It's good to hear you are working on the mental game. If you tilt that's the number one thing you need to address. Personally, I've been there, where I played entire of sessions of reasonably good poker and then would decide to triple-barrel my stack off. I'd do it more when I was beginning to lose or when the opponent was fishy but even fish get good hands. The moment I removed that from my game and made a conscious effort to be more disciplined my graph changed completely and I started beating the game at 10bb/100.

Your blue line is not the line of a winning player. Winning almost everything from non-showdown at micros is suicidal because you have little fold equity at these stakes. Value value value

Edit: You posted a 25NL hand while I was typing so didn't know your stakes. Definitely you should include a bit more bluffing than I mentioned.

Eidt2: Also you play 6-max and we are in the full ring forum, so obviously need to loosen your play. That's why, it's nice to mention the stakes and game type

NL25/NL50

one of the biggest winners in zoom kinda does this. once he gets over 250bb he quits and restarts.

To me it just seems like good bankroll managment? Why would you wanna have the risk of getting like 3+ buyins stacked in a cooler..