At what limit does this not work anymore? I like flatting with JJ in position normally since it's the perfect bluff catcher, but at these limits you just get too many callers if you don't 3-bet with your bigger hands then it's tougher to showdown with that hand.

I plan on moving up to 0.05/0.10 in a few weeks when my bankroll gets to be sufficient, I'm assuming that's the most profitable play in that limit also? Also assuming my 3-bet range can be a bit wider here.

0.02/0.05 NL Holdem

UTG 100 BB
UTG+1 100 BB
UTG+2 100 BB
UTG+3 100 BB
CO (Hero) 100 BB
BTN 100 BB
SB 100 BB
BB 100 BB

Pre Flop: (0.07) Hero has JJ

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises 0.15, UTG+3 calls 0.15, Hero raises to 0.55, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

Buddy, you got to work on your JJ game. It seems you play overly aggressive with it.

So flatting OOP and playing this 3-5 handed is better?

Ya, you get to set over set people alot, and you can get to showdown with the best hand sometimes without a set if you "know when to hold them, and know when to fold them" =)

If you post a ss of your 3 bet positional stats I might be able to tell you more.

I bought Poker Tracker a few years ago, but haven't gotten it since so I don't have a HUD at the moment. Not sure if it's still valid or not.

I get that the other hand is awkward, but I think this 3-bet is better. The raiser is opening and his range is likely wider, he has a caller in between and it's nice spot for a squeeze. Assuming it would be profitable with a much wider range too.

Squeezing for value is fine imo since you're ahead of your opponents' ranges. Feel way better about Q-x-x board vs 1 V instead of 2+. If you're just 3 betting QQ+/AK, you don't have a wide enough 3b range and makes you so readable unless you're also 3b bluffing. Then again maybe a call is better at 5nl idk

Youve made alot of good points. I guess you have to really talk about "everything you are doing in that spot" to really give a complete answer

Its also weird that all starting stacks are 100
how many hands have you played at the table. Like are you all unknowns to each other?

I'm unsure what you mean when you ask when it doesn't work anymore. It didn't work here since nobody called with worse.

3-betting here is absolutely the right play.

its really not, but you can play that way if you like.

I'm just going to say that I'm much more experienced than you and you're wrong and just leave it at that. But thank you for the permission.

It's Bovada so hand history really doesn't copy very well. And yes everyone is anonymous there.

Yeah, I mean if this is something that we aren't doing at higher stakes and if this was the right play (which you answered). It felt like the right play even though no one called.

Lol,you gonna "set over set" people so rarely,most of the time youll just throw away the 3bbs preflop raise cause flop is gonna come with overs and youll have to fold vs so many opponents,or worse you gonna feel comfortable in a lowish board and end up paying off a bigger pair of a set.

In other words a big risk for a small reward.

3bet is great in this spot imo cause ppl gonna often put you on AK and might call with TT/99,and then you gonna play a HU pot which is what a hand like JJ needs,in position.

If you get 4bet,its an easy fold vs a nitty opponent and you end up losing a couple of bbs instead of making costly mistakes postflop.

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Yeah, I mean if this is something that we aren't doing at higher stakes and if this was the right play (which you answered). It felt like the right play even though no one called.
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>>>Thats cool you gotta do what works for you, I think alot of guys make less than top EV plays (like this three bet) because they are trying to avoid "playing poker". Id try flatting JJ more in preflop spot and into some tougher spots to talk about postflop. Then youll really learn something imo.

I'm not afraid to play poker, it's just playing this OOP AND having 2-3+ other villains devalues this hand quite a bit. People are calling with all kinds of crap and boards with overs you probably gotta ditch it the majority of the time.

Youre getting it man, this is very true. Its just that the times you get a set multiway like this is very very juicy, it will be top set, and YOULL almost never have to worry about being set over set.

WHen you dont flop a set, yes you have to raise the white flag quite often, BUT not always! Sometimes youll get all the way to showdown without putting in a dime more and you'll win. sometimes youll be able to sniff out a donk doing something stupid on a board that is great for your hand, and then you can win more money. Trying to isolate the one guy is very limited thinking IMO.

Odds are I'm not hitting my set and playing this hand only to set-mine seems like a poor play. I think there's much more value here as their opening and calling ranges are behind JJ.

Can anyone do a stoxev simulation on this one?

Not sure how you want to do that with no reads on an anonymous site.

You are a smart guy, Im sure you have some ideas how we could model this spot up.

I do, but sadly I don't have crev. Actually is sad as I'm very much into the theory and especially the math side of poker.

Ya, I can see how that doesnt jive well.