PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.49, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 71)
SB: 64.5 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 14.95, PFR: 12.29, 3Bet Preflop: 5.02, Hands: 1,213)
Hero (UTG): 227.3 BB
UTG+1: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 10.37, PFR: 5.93, 3Bet Preflop: 6.00, Hands: 136)
MP: 56.8 BB
MP+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.43, PFR: 16.83, 3Bet Preflop: 4.42, Hands: 3,739)
MP+2: 160.2 BB (VPIP: 15.17, PFR: 12.77, 3Bet Preflop: 3.40, Hands: 4,550)
CO: 131.9 BB (VPIP: 18.46, PFR: 13.77, 3Bet Preflop: 2.86, Hands: 371)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q Q

Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 19 BB, BTN raises to 33 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

Flop: (67.5 BB, 2 players) 2 2 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 32.2 BB hero?

should i have folded this preflop ? can i fold now ?

would flat the min 3-bet pre, x/c flop, re-evaluate turn

hate 4-betting QQ unless it's against a shortstack or someone w/ a high 3-bet percentage

So he bets flop you call then he bets turn and you fold ?

Look at the guys 3b% then configure his 4b range.
Dont 4b QQ pre w out reads or vs this guy.
Fold the flop

i don't think 4bet is a bad play.even if his 3bet% is 0 we have 70 hands..not so much.
On the flop is really hard, especially on that board and with no spades..don't really know.

AK? JJ? TT maybe??
it's a jam/fold?

Ez 4b jam

u jam pre?

Yep.

what is your range that you call a shove pre from UTG in BTN ? just asking

and why 4/bet jam when he min 3 bets ,what you acomplish ? y dont understand your logic

Opponent will get it in with worse because of 100bb eff stack size.

Wow this is amazing

..like say jj or AQ?..Some vivid imagination u have there..you dig art?

ehhh!!!!what do u mean???

no

definitely no

absolutely no

What??

good questions

agreed

His 3B% doesn't mean anything with 71 hands, so how can you construct a 4B range? So just avoid that situation. Yes its not a good idea to 4B w/o reads or history.

A min 3B from the BTN could mean a lot of things. You have a good hand, flat and build a medium sized pot. A 4B is narrowing down his range so that your good hand is now marginal. V has no idea about bet sizing but a 5B wants to GII so now your hand is not so good. There's no reason to call a 5B with 100BB stacks, its shove or fold - he only has a PSB on flop so its getting in anyways.

Short of spiking a Q, this board couldn't be better. V would continue with lots of worse cards. Because of the PF action it is now a hard decision, but its not really since you should be GII with the size of the pot - hence a shove or fold after getting 5B, preferably a fold.

Lets not forget that you were OOP so you started out in a bad situation to begin with. You don't want to make it harder on yourself than it already is.

BTW your table sucks. get up and leave.

really?
then is our decision incredible easy!!just a big bet and he go out of the way..simply..

u r OOP on a paired board whit even no RR projets vs a solid reg..i'm really curious to know what's range u r putting him on?

I already said that by 4B your hand is marginal in which case a big bet would not be a good idea and in a 5B pot your hand is probably no good so a big bet would be a terrible idea. And why do we want to fold out worse with a big bet? Don't we want him to stay in the hand if we have him beat?
1) nobody said this is a solid reg. a min 3B tells me he's a fish
2) If it were a single raise from the BTN........ 22+, SC, JTs+, AJo+, A5s+, KQ
depends on Hero's image - about that if Hero were TAGGY, definitely at least that if Hero was playing looser. In a 5B pot his range would be much tighter and, again, I would have folded before it got to the flop.
3) who cares if its a paired board? what are you afraid of? A2? or the 3 combos of 88?

14/13 is 4 me a solid reg and a mini 3b sounds me a little suspect..
i'm not so sure as u to fold pre
i think that board is not so good because we are on two outs and he could easily have an overpair (or underpair.. JJ maybe) whith a spade..
for me is OTF a difficult decision..that's what i'm saying

over 71 hands I wouldn't jump to conclusions that he's solid quite yet. He obviously isn't an uber fish so i'll give you that. And you're right, the 3B is suspect.

don't we want him to have an underpair? I agree its a difficult decision and to me it should be a fold b/c we can't keep getting bet at the rest of the hand. I just think in a smaller pot that board is good for us.

But what i'm trying to get at is that we shouldn't be putting ourselves into this position - every time there's a raise PF its getting more and more likely we're beat, but a flat keeps his range wider and gives us more room to work with post flop.

I don't want to say you're wrong at all. This is just my opinion.