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QQ hand vs Small ball player? QQ hand vs Small ball player?

03-30-2015 , 12:58 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    UTG+1: $11.62 (116.2 bb) (VPIP 35 / PFR 13 / PF3bet 6.7 / AF 2.0 / Hands played 31)
    UTG+2: $9.83 (98.3 bb)
    MP1: $11.28 (112.8 bb)
    Hero (MP2): $7.34 (73.4 bb)
    MP3: $21.54 (215.4 bb)
    CO: $10.81 (108.1 bb)
    BTN: $10 (100 bb)
    SB: $15.39 (153.9 bb)
    BB: $8.20 (82 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q Q
    UTG+1 raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, 5 folds

    Flop: ($0.75) 9 J 6 (2 players)
    UTG+1 bets $0.36, Hero calls $0.36

    Turn: ($1.47) 7 (2 players)
    UTG+1 bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

    River: ($2.97) 6 (2 players)
    UTG+1 bets $1.15, Hero calls $1.15

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.27 pot ($0.24 rake)
    Final Board: 9 J 6 7 6
    UTG+1 showed A A and won $5.03 ($2.47 net)
    Hero mucked Q Q and lost (-$2.56 net)



    Should I have raised preflop or turn to get some more information? I think the preflop call was okay and I don't think a raise there would accomplish anything.
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    03-30-2015 , 01:16 AM
    I always just call down in these spots but folding river may not be terrible. We are not beating a whole lot of his value range so we are basically just bluff catching.

    I don't think you should ever be raising here for info, the question I'm more interested in is is this a river fold?

    BTW, don't post results.
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    03-30-2015 , 01:58 AM
    I would call down FWIW.
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    03-30-2015 , 02:51 AM
    This is fine. You shouldn't be raising for information ever.

    Every bet/raise should have an objective: To get better hands to fold or worse hands to call.

    When calling rivers consider: Does my hand beat the worst hands he could be value betting? Does my hand beat the hands he can be bluffing with and how often do I think he's bluffing?

    You can help answer these questions by observing the tendencies of players at your limit.

    Just call down as you did and expect to win relatively often. Sometimes he'll have a better hand, this was just one of those times.
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    03-30-2015 , 03:00 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AimHigher
    This is fine. You shouldn't be raising for information ever.

    Every bet/raise should have an objective: To get better hands to fold or worse hands to call.

    When calling rivers consider: Does my hand beat the worst hands he could be value betting? Does my hand beat the hands he can be bluffing with and how often do I think he's bluffing?

    You can help answer these questions by observing the tendencies of players at your limit.

    Just call down as you did and expect to win relatively often. Sometimes he'll have a better hand, this was just one of those times.
    After reviewing the hand, I was thinking about the reraise option preflop. If I reraise and he jams it, I can easily fold my QQ thinking he has AA or KK. Of course he can have hands like 99 or AK in this spot, but I would still auto fold regardless and pick a better spot.

    If he calls my reraise, I'd actually think he is stronger than had he jammed it. From what I've seen, those callers love slow playing their big pairs letting me make the mistakes of cbetting.

    For this very specific situation, I would have saved more money if I had raised and he reraised. Otherwise, I wouldn't really know. Had I 3 bet though, I think he was likely to 4bet shove. I guess the real problem with reraising is that I might knock him off worse hands more often than not.
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    03-30-2015 , 04:28 AM
    After reviewing the hand, I was thinking about the reraise option preflop. If I reraise and he jams it, I can easily fold my QQ thinking he has AA or KK


    if you do that you transform QQ into a bluff , is no good
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    03-30-2015 , 05:55 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by krikara
    After reviewing the hand, I was thinking about the reraise option preflop. If I reraise and he jams it, I can easily fold my QQ thinking he has AA or KK. Of course he can have hands like 99 or AK in this spot, but I would still auto fold regardless and pick a better spot.

    If he calls my reraise, I'd actually think he is stronger than had he jammed it. From what I've seen, those callers love slow playing their big pairs letting me make the mistakes of cbetting.

    For this very specific situation, I would have saved more money if I had raised and he reraised. Otherwise, I wouldn't really know. Had I 3 bet though, I think he was likely to 4bet shove. I guess the real problem with reraising is that I might knock him off worse hands more often than not.
    I think taking a hand as strong as QQ and 3bet/folding it is a really large mistake. If you don't feel confident you can 3bet it to stack off then flatting is going to be better in the vast majority of cases.

    Yes in this specific situation you might've saved yourself some money but we can't allow ourselves to be results oriented, you should attempt to be objective and try to determine which choices earn you the most money against the entirety of his range, not simply how you can avoid getting coolered for less than a buyin.
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    03-30-2015 , 05:59 AM
    Nl10 players do not 3 barell air. This guy opened UTG and is fairly unknown but raised only 13% so far (you can`t call 31 hands a sample but if he is a giant fish it would be enough), his standart range is something like 1010+ AQ+. He is never barelling river with naked overcards so his range is mainly pairs. Every single one that 3-barells beats you, being the nit i am i am folding the river.
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    03-30-2015 , 06:26 AM
    Even though You have only 31 hand with him, VPIP of 35 is a ton, even with PFR much lower. Now, since he 3 bets pre i see him having AJ here very often and some lower pocket pairs that You beat, but there are lots of other stuff that beats You. I wouldn't raise here either. I am calling the river here
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