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07-23-2014 , 05:15 AM
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Utg+1: potencionální fish: 44 hand: 39/18
MP: reg/nit: 198 hand: 14/12/6
CO: loose passive fish: 87 hand: 36/7

Hero: call/fold?? (32% pot odds)

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MP: $10.69
CO: $16.16
BTN: $8.80
SB: $10.75
Hero (BB): $10.15
UTG: $11.16
UTG+1: $7.13

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, MP raises to $1.10, CO calls $1.10, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, UTG+1 raises to $7.13 all in, MP raises to $10.69 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls $9.05 all in
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07-23-2014 , 05:52 AM
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Its a high variance spot and i think close but i think i would fold
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07-23-2014 , 09:20 AM
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Would call HU v the fish but folding once MP put his stack in and pot is MW.
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07-23-2014 , 12:17 PM
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Is the reg good ? If he is, he's definitely doing this with QQ/AK and maybe JJ. UTG+1 range should be quite random so I like a call here because of the dead money.
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07-23-2014 , 02:50 PM
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I think in that spot you are definately beat....However, I think raising preflop to between 20-30 bb can make that decision easier going forward.
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07-23-2014 , 05:27 PM
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Slamdunk fold. I wouldn't even flat the 3-bet.
Last edited by .isolated; 07-23-2014 at 05:27 PM. Reason: to be clear, i wouldn't 4-bet either
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07-23-2014 , 11:32 PM
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Slamdunk fold. I wouldn't even flat the 3-bet.
CO is a fish and UTG is likely to be weak. I hate cold calling 3bets in general, but here it does make sense.
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07-24-2014 , 01:04 AM
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CO is a fish and UTG is likely to be weak. I hate cold calling 3bets in general, but here it does make sense.
Out of sheer curiosity, if we think the CO is just going to go nuts with a super wide range, can we click 4 bet?

The only reason I ask is because it makes our decision super easy if the original raiser 5bets (we're beat) and we were planning to call off the CO anyway, so surely we can 4bet for value against him. Also, this way we don't have to call and then play a flop OOP vs two other people (cos we should assume that the original raiser is probably coming along getting a fab price if we just call).

But yeah is this just setting dat monayyy on fire (do we have to 4bet call if original raiser shoves and other player folds) or could it possibly work?
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07-24-2014 , 01:52 AM
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"Gamboooool" +click call

we need 32%, imo we have that (assuming fish is clicking buttons)

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07-24-2014 , 06:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Turningham
Out of sheer curiosity, if we think the CO is just going to go nuts with a super wide range, can we click 4 bet?

The only reason I ask is because it makes our decision super easy if the original raiser 5bets (we're beat) and we were planning to call off the CO anyway, so surely we can 4bet for value against him. Also, this way we don't have to call and then play a flop OOP vs two other people (cos we should assume that the original raiser is probably coming along getting a fab price if we just call).

But yeah is this just setting dat monayyy on fire (do we have to 4bet call if original raiser shoves and other player folds) or could it possibly work?
I missed the fact that we are OOP but given the SPR OTF position is not that important. We will probably value-donk any flop where we have overcards.

We don't really want to cold 4bet as:
- It's too likely that UTG+1 is going to fold. And if he shoves, he's not deep enough to make it possible for us to fold.
- By 4-betting, we give MP an opportunity to shove, meaning we'll lose CO in the process and end up against the top of MP's range.

In this hand, with QQ we are probably behind MP's range. Our goal is to keep the fishes in the hand.
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