So I'm just running through a couple of sessions where I have marked hands to review.

So in this spot a massive fish opens in the HJ. I have QJs in the sb. There is also a massive fish who doesn't like folding in the big blind.

In game i'm stuck as to what to do in these spots? I'm not used to playing against fish. There is argument for Yes and No. My general line of thought is that playing a bloated pot OOP v 2 villains that don't like to fold is just bleh. Also you could look at it from the perspective that we are likely ahead of both villains ranges so lets try to build a pot.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 96 BB (VPIP: 40.74, PFR: 25.93, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 54)
UTG: 136 BB (VPIP: 20.34, PFR: 10.59, 3Bet Preflop: 6.52, Hands: 238)
UTG+1: 89.5 BB (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 7.64, PFR: 4.65, 3Bet Preflop: 2.61, Hands: 303)
MP+1: 90.3 BB (VPIP: 65.52, PFR: 27.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29 F3B 24%)
CO: 259.6 BB (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
BTN: 76.9 BB (VPIP: 22.64, PFR: 11.32, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 53)
Hero (SB): 116.9 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J Q

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero ?

Vs fish, specially those who stackoff lightly(which seems like the case), you should play a stack with the biggest SPR possible with hands like JQs, also you have no fold equity pre-flop(this guy isn't folding k2o vs a 3-bet probably), so calling is better than 3-betting pre-flop here vs a fish.

So you call, invite the BB to play the pot with you, try to hit a straight/flush/2-pair so you can stackoff(pay attention to pot odds when drawing and implied odds too), don't be shy when you hit, any money the fish has when the hand ends when you hit is money you lost.

Now when you make TP, you can play more for showdown value and check-call the flop, if they check behind you can valuebet OTT/OTR.

Also you should be careful about raises in a MW pot, if HJ cbets, you call with Top pair and BB raises big, you can do fine by folding to the raise if you don't have any draws.

okay cool.

So i call and flop the nuts on a 89T rainbow flop. Bet, check call or check raise?

check-raise it big, just click the pot button

I think there is a lot of merit to what rapidness is saying. Sample size is incredibly small but we do see 24% fold to 3 bet on his 28% pfr.

This seems like a recurring scenario in the micro forum where utilising more stats and/or paying more attention to post flop tendencies would tell you a lot more about how to play this hand. This guy has seen a ton of flops, is he stationing off? Is he fit or fold, is he trying to bluff every thing through? This, more than his pre flop stats should tell you more about whether you want to 3bet iso, because you can push them around post flop or whether you want to be playing purely for showdown/value.

My improvement advice for this hand and more so as a general moving forward approach. Look the individual up in your database. Go through all the hands he played previous to this. This will you which line you could have take on this hand. Once you know this, look at his more detailed stats. Would having his aggression % or cbetting stats on your hud have allowed you to know to take this line in the moment? That may be the biggest adjustment that will help you long term.

In isolation, without taking these additional steps; rapidesh's suggestions seem solid.

i always 3b pre vs. said villain

Calling in this spot is better with the BB likely to come along and a hand that plays very well multiway. With QJo I'd 3b or fold.

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+1

I called pre. Checked raised big and villains folded.. I think maybe check call would have been better seen I had the board totaly crushed..

They probably don't fold Tx there and they have alot of those. Also all the overpair, twopair, and ofc sets are never folding. Some other stuff as well. They most likely had basically nothing, a range that you won't often get value on turn anyway. Also you want to size up the pot early to make it easier to get their whole stack.

I'd lean towards 3 betting this because the BB is 3 betting at 14% and looks to be very aggressive... I'd say you're more likely to be squeezed than have him call and go 3 way to the flop without knowing his squeeze stats.

plus you want to be heads up vs a suspected fish who raises too much and doesn't fold often to 3 bets.

wrong
any hand that plays well MW plays better HU obviously. esp OOP MW.


against a guy playing 66/28 you're likely better off calling than folding but what do I know


#staticrangesFTW

Wrong. Some hands play better multiway because they have less showdown value and rely more on implied odds of hitting a big hand. Medium suited connectors are the prime example of this. A3o plays better heads-up; QJs plays better multiway.

First, small sample. Second, my point was that some hands are better played as a 3b/fold than a call in the SB. QJo has limited implied odds and can be difficult to play OOP, so I'd rather play it aggressively or not at all. Which I choose depends on my read on the villain.

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lets get this fish to ourselves and 3bet pre. nomnomnomnom