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Hey Split, what would your 5 color break down be for Folds to turn c bet?? red, organge, yellow, green, pink
right now i have folds flop to c bet like this from an earlier post:
Red: 70.01-100
Orange: 55.01-70
Yellow: 45.01-55
Green: 30.01-45
Pink: 0-30
is this right and how would you range it for fold to turn c bet, thanks

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12-21-2009 , 04:52 PM

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no idea tbh. i hardly use that stat unless i see it as like 0-25 (calling me a ton on a dub) or 80+ (folding to almost all of my dubs so long as fold2CB isnt too high)

this is more of something i just keep on the HUD to reference on occassion...i rarely HAVE to use it =)

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12-21-2009 , 04:55 PM

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I use fold to cbet. Basically its meaning less by it self, but as Split says, combine it with VPIP/PFR and fold to cbet and it tells you a lot. Someone with a low VPIP/PFR should have an extremely low fold2Tcbet, if you see this above 50%, start to look at what flops he folds to. (like he is scared of flushes/draws, paired boards).

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12-21-2009 , 04:58 PM

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sammy and split, I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. are you talking about making a custom stat that describes postflop passivity?

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12-21-2009 , 05:01 PM

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sammy and split, I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. are you talking about making a custom stat that describes postflop passivity?

I think they're talking about a stat that shows preflop aggression. FWIW, there's a PFR/VPIP stat in HM.

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12-21-2009 , 05:02 PM

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sammy and split, I'm not sure what you guys are talking about. are you talking about making a custom stat that describes postflop passivity?

I guess we don't need a stat, but I was wonder if there is a statistical correlation between VPIP/PFR gap and post flop passiveness...

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12-21-2009 , 05:08 PM

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Ok thanks, also what would be better to use on the hud AFq or TA? what would it be?

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12-21-2009 , 05:10 PM

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Ok thanks, also what would be better to use on the hud AFq or TA? what would it be?

they will tell you the same thing once converged, but I was looking for a short cut, since I don't trust those until 2k hands, and VPIP/PFR tend to give you an idea of what is going on in as little of 50 hands.

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12-21-2009 , 05:16 PM

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I guess we don't need a stat, but I was wonder if there is a statistical correlation between VPIP/PFR gap and post flop passiveness...

I'm just browsing the players tab, and I am not seeing a strong correlation jump out at me. To the extent that I am seeing a correlation, it is just what you would expect--if you would characterize the player as tight/passive or loose/passive preflop, there tends to be a low post flop af as well. But it doesn't look like a really strong correlation at all.

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12-21-2009 , 05:18 PM

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this is why you should use either af or agg freq%, imo

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12-21-2009 , 05:24 PM

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I just sorted my player tab by AF, and I am now thinking the correlation is a bit stronger--the majority of low aggression factor players also have a big gap. but that is not the same as saying the majority of players with a big gap have a low AF, and, in fact, I think that is false.

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12-21-2009 , 05:26 PM

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so a low af looks to be a decent predictor of preflop passivity, but preflop passivity does less well predicting post flop passivity, I think.

I am intrigued enough by this to want to run it in excel, but I have the summary cotw to do by next week, and there's no way I have time for both

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12-21-2009 , 05:28 PM

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If you ship it to excel, I could do some minitab tests on the results.

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12-21-2009 , 05:38 PM

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I don't know how to ship it to excel; I was planning to manually do it. That's why I needed a week, lol.

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12-21-2009 , 06:00 PM

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zomg, right click export as csv file, open it in openoffice calc, done.

I have just died and gone to nerd heaven

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12-21-2009 , 06:01 PM

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Let me think, if its based on a sql data base, in theory I can just point excel to the database...which looking at Excel 2009 they have an automated function to do this.

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12-21-2009 , 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

I guess we don't need a stat, but I was wonder if there is a statistical correlation between VPIP/PFR gap and post flop passiveness...

there may not be a direct correlation in AF and VPIP/PFR gap

but there certainly is, imo, in general postflop. the wide VPIP/PFR gap correlates to more passivity; in terms of dubbing, river/call win% stuff, and things like handingly draws/bluff CR's on the flop

(im 98% sure i misused that semi-colon...and im ok with that =) )

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12-21-2009 , 06:37 PM

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How would you guys correlate the stats of 3bet pre flop and fold to 3 bet pre flop using the 5 color system? Red, orange, yellow, green, pink?? help please thanks

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12-22-2009 , 05:07 PM

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This is mpethy's breakdown of AF by category from the Stats and analysis thread. Just thought I'd copy it here to keep all the great information together.

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If I were color coding I would break everybody down into the following color codes:

AF:

0-1.56-passive fish
1.57-2.19- passive
2.2-3.0- solid
3.01-4.71-stone killer
4.72-inf- aggrodonk

These categories correlate with median win rates--those I have labeled passive fish and aggro donk have negative median win rates. Passive = break even median win rate and stone killers have a higher wr than solid players.

(Credit to Schoonamaker for coining the stone killer phrase wrt poker aggression in Psychology of Poker).

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12-27-2009 , 05:32 AM

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How would you guys correlate the stats of 3bet pre flop and fold to 3 bet pre flop using the 5 color system? Red, orange, yellow, green, pink?? help please thanks

I'm very interested in this too. Anyone have any examples?

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12-31-2009 , 12:46 AM

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there is some great info in this thread but would anyone mind explaining what i would have to tweak to make this for 6max (and yes i looked in the other forum but found no threads like this

)

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12-31-2009 , 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by hotramen

there is some great info in this thread but would anyone mind explaining what i would have to tweak to make this for 6max (and yes i looked in the other forum but found no threads like this

)

i would help you if i could...but i havnt played 6max in almost 2.5yrs =(

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12-31-2009 , 02:48 PM

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This is mpethy's breakdown of AF by category from the Stats and analysis thread. Just thought I'd copy it here to keep all the great information together.

Yeah that is pretty epic. I color code that in my HUD and it works amazing. So far the ranges mpethybridge gave are absolute correct.

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01-07-2010 , 05:55 PM

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there is some great info in this thread but would anyone mind explaining what i would have to tweak to make this for 6max (and yes i looked in the other forum but found no threads like this

)

anyone ??

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02-07-2010 , 05:18 AM

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nice

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