So how are the color coding ranges working out for you?

The image looks like a FTP table,
how do you make those stats come out for each player?

this is using PAHUD+PT2

current programs (HEM and PT3) have HUD's built into them that don't use this type of layout system.

I agree with the tricolor breakdown - its much easier to break down stats by fishiness or dangerousness rather than loose/aggressive. This is because a very loose player in one context is more dangerous or should be avoided more often (i.e. don't steal the BB of a 60/10 with a 20% FtoCbet, even though that is super exploitable if you have a value hand)

I use:

1. Red: Very TAG or Rocky stats (e.g. PFR < 5; VPIP <10)
2. Yellow: More Laggy stat (e.g. PFR <14, VPIP <20)
3. Light Green: kinda fishy
4. Dark Green: Mega Fishy.

Right now I have my lines:

VPIP/PFR/3bet%
Agg%/AF/Flop CB/TurnCB
F to Flop CB/ Flop Checkraise/ F to Turn CB / Turn check raise/ River AF
WTSD/W$SD/W$WSF/WR/Hands

I'm having a very hard time with the middle lines - what to include in postflop statistics basically - and think I might be missing something on the PF stats.

What are your lines? Any ideas?

What do you guys think is a fishy vs. a Taggy AGG % at the micros?

PAHUD?

Any Head's Up Display (e.g. I use HEM's)

PAHUD is what us dinosaurs used before PT3 and HEM =)

Last bump:

I've started adding fold to CB for every street - looking at fold to river Cbet can actually give you a great idea about how weak tight any particular player is or how often they chase draws.

I'm also experimenting with check raise % but I'm not sure what the optimal # so I'm having a hard time making that stat meaningful

the CB stat is going to need a huge sample for the river and even the turn. i wud keep this in mind, though your thoughts on how to use it seem to be pretty right on

So do you focus more on just the flop stats? Most hands end by then and even if they don't the turn and river should be easier to play if you make the correct flop decision and have other general stats like AF I guess. What post-flop stats would you recommend that give "bang for your buck" if you play with unknowns 90% of the time?

almost all my stats are PF/FLOP based. i use my notes past there and also their WTSD. also take notes on what kind of hands they go to SD with...that helps a TON

Do you just use Cbet/Fold to Cbet or also fold to donk, C/R and other tricky stats?

my HUD:

HANDS
vpip/pfr
ATS/WTSD/3b
flopCB/fold2CB

thats all the info i need to make decisions. i cud use an extra one or 2 in very special spots...but i take a lot of notes and pay a lot of attention (even when 20 tabling) to balance it

How do you use WTSD and what ranges do you give for it? It's a stat I never used.

70%+ is showing down too much
40%- is never showing down

need a sample of like 250hands+

what does TA abd ATS stand for???

ATS is attempt to steal; %age of time that a player raises when it has been folded to him/her in cutoff/button/SB.

not as certain of TA, but i think it's total aggresion factor?

now i'm a bit worried/confused

mpey's stats OP specifies that if your WTSD too far from 25% then it's a problem. is this discrepancy down to differences in stakes, do you think?

Are we talking WentToShowdown in Full Ring games? If so *s*, your numbers are off.

<19% is a very tight player and can be bluffed.
19-26% acceptable range
>26% is a call station muppet

PokerRon.... I use this all the time. Understand a variance to this on both ends of the spectrum is:

If a villain is very Tight aggressive, you might often get a low WTSD rate simply because he rarely makes it to showdown. He has bet people off their hands alot before the river.

Just had a thot:

If we use a three color method, are we doing it wrong?

As an example VPIP (quick sample numbers)
<12 Yellow
12-20 Red
>20 Green

Wouldn't it be better:
<8 Green
8-12 Yellow
12-20 Red
20-22 Yellow
>22 Green

o good God yes. i dont know why i used those numbers, lol

i prefer 5 colors to 3. i would do:

-10 Red
11-15 Orange
16-19 Yellow
20-28 Green
29+ Pink

Ron helped me get the table hud working, but it doesnt show on the actual tables, is there anything I need to do to make it work?????


here's what he send me

1: Open up the configure stats window
2: Click on the "Group" tab
3: Click on "New" to create a new group
4: Select that group, then on the right in the "Group Options" section, under "Show" select "Table Averages: Show on table"
5: With that group still selected, click on the "Stats" tab, and then you can choose whatever stats you want to display for the table as a whole. I use VPIP and PFR, although I only really ever look at VPIP. I have it colour coded something like:

<16: Red
16-18: Orange
18-21: Yellow
21>: Green

i checked the instructions someone sent me, and they are practically identical to those you listed, and mine work fine.

i have a foggy memory of the table stats turning up somewhere funky by default, like in one of the corners of the screen, is it possible it's there, but you haven't seen it cause you're looking for it in the middle of the table?

Hi
Ive spent a bit of time reading this thread and trying to get my HUD into order.
Will you PLEASE loo at my HUD details below and tell me if theres anything that needs changing or if ive made a hudge mistake somewhere.

Im using 4 colour
Yellow - Rock
Red - Reg Tag
Pink - Slightly loose
Green - V loose

< means the number and below
Line 1 - Hands

Line 2
VPIP <11 , <22 , <29 and 30+
PFR <9, <16 , <22 and 23+
Steal <25 , <30 , <35 and 36+
Aggression Factor <1.5 , <2.25 , <3.5 and +3.6

Line 3
Flop CB <30 , <60 , <70 and 71+
Turn CB (no numbers ???????)
Fold to flop CB <30 , <50 and 51+ (colours in order, Green, Red , Yellow)

Line 4
Fold sb v steal <69 , <70 , <75 , 76+ (colours in order green, pink, red, yellow)
Fold bb v steal (same as above)
Went to show down <19 , <26, 27+ (colours yellow, Red , Green)
Won at Showdown (no numbers ????)

Thanks for any advice