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Old 10-28-2007, 04:18 AM   #26
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

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i rly think that if we are going to do a 3-4 color system (which i dont mind if everyone finds it simplier) we do

Red - very rock
Yellow - middle road
Green - go time
Pink loosesy

and what do tehse comobo-stats do? ( I skimmed, so if it was covered, i missed it. is it the auto4 stats?
(vpip/pfr/af/hands))
Yea it makes the information alot easier to look at and process.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:15 PM   #27
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

just finished this one. look alright?

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Old 10-29-2007, 02:36 PM   #28
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EDIT: Geez, I can't stand FTP Player icons...why do you still show them? They just clutter the screen IMHO.

Go to PAHUD and delete from your layout:

VP$IP
PFR
AGG
WTSD
Hands

Next, configure a Combination Stat to incorporate the previously deleted. Position across the top of player name box.

That will go a LONG way to freeing up space on a FTP table.


I actually find the player icons quite useful when I'm 6+ tabling. They let you quickly generalize how you want to play the hand against particular opponents without having to look at a multitude of stats on the players left to act. I mostly ignore a lot of the icons, but I am particularly interested in 4 of them and that's why I display them: fish, mouse, rock, and calling station as I find these are the most profitable to play against in certain scenarios.

As I said I don't play much on FT as I'm not a fan of the software/PAHUD problems with it timing out due to a freeze with a fullhouse after I make a big turn bet really sucks. I also do use combined stats on all other sites where they fit a lot better (layouts for Stars and Party are excellent IMO compared to FT, I've downloaded mods for both as well to make them easier to see).

Edit: I like how you have the one set of combined stats on your layout for VPIP etc. I'll probably be switching to the racetrack layout next time I play there so I'll try to post a screenshot if I can manage to fit all 3 sets of combined stats that I normally use.
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Old 10-29-2007, 03:11 PM   #29
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

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Split Suit, I think that layout is OK, but donīt you think itīs easier to find the fish or weak players if their colours are brighter? I did some datamining just to see how it looked and personally I think the bright colours stand out a bit .



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How do you get the pictures to show directly, without the link???

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Old 10-29-2007, 04:12 PM   #30
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

2 things.

1.) the color always gets dimmed down when i screenshot for some odd reason. dont kno why
2.) im colorblind. (colorblind to red, and shade blind). so brightness generally doesnt register with my eyes. this is also why i use very different colors for my stats (i cant do blue, light blue, and dark blue for differentiation)

that being said, ur UB layout looks good. saddly, FTP doesnt give u that kind of realestate to put stats. the nameplate is kind of a huge roadblock (tho maybe racetrack works better for ppl, i dunno)
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:08 AM   #31
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

How do you copy the color and ranges once they are set up for one poker site to the other sites. Is there a way to do this without exporting everything which would mess around with the placement of the stats.
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Old 10-30-2007, 02:30 PM   #32
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

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Split Suit: Sorry to hear that youīre colourblind. I see now why you want to use different colours.

oakrdrzfan: I donīt know if that works. I usually just export the stats and since I just have two combined and the number of hands stat, itīs no big deal to move them around.

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Old 11-08-2007, 01:00 AM   #33
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

Looks like the color isn't coming through too well, but I have the following colors on my HUD:
Blue: weak
Yellow: Avg
Green: Higher % of range
Red: on Folds to Cbet if <50%

Stat lines read:
VPIP/PFR/TA/TAF/WTSD
Hands/Folds CB/Total CR%/Cbet

Is there anything that I'm missing? Is it too much?

I'm gonna look through this thread again tomorrow at work and tweak my HUD again if necessary, but this was a great discussion guys!

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Old 11-12-2007, 06:34 AM   #34
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

wow, great thread.. i love stuff like this..

Anyways, my VPIP coding is way different than anyone else that has posted and thats prolly because I only 2-3 table and table selection is my biggest advantage.

0-39 Green
40-49 Orange
50-99 Red

I watch tables with a close eye on the oranges.. dump the green bananas and wait list the red cherries.

Also, I noticed that no one uses CR on their HUD.

I put serious thought into CR, especially when deciding which seat to grab.. you'd be surprised how many people have 0.00 CR over hundreds of hands.

This helps you when seated to their left, so you can bet when they check without any fear of a re-raise whatsoever.

Keep those Hud-stats coming!
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:13 AM   #35
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So the two latest posters both use CR in their HUDs. Iīve been thinking about that to, but I couldnīt find a good way to colour code it. How do you code this stat? Whatīs the "average" (good player) rate of checkraising?

// M
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:54 PM   #36
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

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So the two latest posters both use CR in their HUDs. Iīve been thinking about that to, but I couldnīt find a good way to colour code it. How do you code this stat? Whatīs the "average" (good player) rate of checkraising?

// M
Good question!
Its such a huge strategy considerment that it would take a massive sample of data to even start thinking about it.
Come to think of it I dont even remember how the PAHUD is worked out!

Two things I do know -
If you have 250+ or so hands on someone and they have "CR 0.00" then Im more inclined (all other factors considered) to semi-bluff a draw since he usually calls at worst.
(You probably need a higher sample size than that, the higher the sample the more likely the villan does not CR)

Some manics have "CR 7.00" or something, thats just crazy. Obv dont bet meduim holdings or draws when they check to you.

In between I have not given it much thought, its certainly worth having up there on HUD.
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Old 11-12-2007, 01:59 PM   #37
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

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So the two latest posters both use CR in their HUDs. Iīve been thinking about that to, but I couldnīt find a good way to colour code it. How do you code this stat? Whatīs the "average" (good player) rate of checkraising?

// M
I'm still working out my feel on the ranges of this stat. I haven't color coded it yet since I don't have a solid feel. I'm very interested in what others are doing w/ this stat.
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Old 11-12-2007, 02:06 PM   #38
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

Something I do with the player icons-

The caution triangle I manually assign to the "shortstackers' guild" so they kind of jump out at me and I'm aware where they are at the table and can adjust accordingly. (Also I like to follow their progress in pokertracker and it's an easy filter. From what I see they really don't make very much money.)

I have 2 special symbols for my loose players (VPIP 30%+).
The passive players in this category are the fish and the more aggressive players are the dice.

The rest of the players in my database get a rating according to certain levels of aggression. In order they go:

mouse
elephant
eagle
Tazmanian Devil

Of course, I'm considering changing all of this around and just assigning icons on a manual basis, like I do with the shortstackers. I'm thinking the decent regulars could get an eagle; the bad players could get the fish. I'm undecided if I want to do this or not yet.
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:29 PM   #39
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

I've done a little adjusting with my HUD. A lot of advice in this thread has helped.

First the stats I have displayed are:
VPIP
PFR
AF
total hands

CB%
FCB%
CR%

I've gone with the red/green getup with my weaker and looser stats being green and my aggressive stats being red. Goes well with the whole Christmas theme also.

What other stats do you guys display? I strayed away from wtSD because it takes a lot of hands to have a significant sample, and at that point almost everybody is going to fall within the same range for the most part. (I think the fish that are going to too many showdowns usually bust out before they have a significant enough sample).

I also kept the caution triangle for my shortstackers and am using a few of the other icons to indicate unusual agression factors (total including preflop).

<1 mouse PASSIVE
2-3 eagle AGGRESSIVE
3+ Taz HYPER-AGGRESSIVE

This just gives me a general feel for the aggressiveness of a player and/or table, but I use the stats for most of my intricate decision-making.
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:47 AM   #40
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

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I've done a little adjusting with my HUD. A lot of advice in this thread has helped.

First the stats I have displayed are:
VPIP
PFR
AF
total hands

CB%
FCB%
CR%

I've gone with the red/green getup with my weaker and looser stats being green and my aggressive stats being red. Goes well with the whole Christmas theme also.

What other stats do you guys display? I strayed away from wtSD because it takes a lot of hands to have a significant sample, and at that point almost everybody is going to fall within the same range for the most part. (I think the fish that are going to too many showdowns usually bust out before they have a significant enough sample).

I also kept the caution triangle for my shortstackers and am using a few of the other icons to indicate unusual agression factors (total including preflop).

<1 mouse PASSIVE
2-3 eagle AGGRESSIVE
3+ Taz HYPER-AGGRESSIVE

This just gives me a general feel for the aggressiveness of a player and/or table, but I use the stats for most of my intricate decision-making.
i like having an idea if the player is a winner or loser in the game (obvi only usefull if u have 1k+ hands on a person)...but nice to kno.

also, their attmpt2steal ive found helpful. lets me kno if i can 3b out of hte blinds froma CO steal
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Old 11-13-2007, 09:41 AM   #41
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

Hi.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...oker-37745.htm

I found this thread in another forum and maybe we can get something out of it. Could it be that aggression frequency by street is more important than CR? Is it to much info to show at the table?
Any ideas??

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Old 11-14-2007, 12:46 PM   #42
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

Finally got a round to getting PAHUD

Before I was tiling the 12 tables I had opened. While using the HUD though, the numbers are too small. So I have changed to cascading the tables.

Did anyone else have to do this?

Is there a better way to setup 12 tables than the cascade layout?


numbers numbers numbers

I'm trying to get a grasp of what these stats mean.

What hand range do I give to the following stats?

PFR%

2.5%
5%
7.5%
10%
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Old 11-14-2007, 04:01 PM   #43
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numbers numbers numbers

I'm trying to get a grasp of what these stats mean.

What hand range do I give to the following stats?

PFR%

2.5%
5%
7.5%
10%
Hi.

2,5% is like TT+, AKs
5% = 99+,AJs+,KQs,AKo
7,5% = 88+,ATs+,KTs+,QJs,AQo+
10% = 88+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo

...or something like that. I just ran them in Poker Stove.

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Old 11-14-2007, 06:33 PM   #44
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Cheers

Think I will go and have a look at that Poker Stove....
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:49 PM   #45
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

o the fun times of getting all ur poker software in order =)

if u have any questions on what the stats mean, just ask.

also, the stats are fairly small when i tile 12tabling...but u just get used to it. also, thats why i colorcode. so i can see on the fly if some1 is loose/tight or whatever. makes life a bit easier when ur tryying to make quick, yet solid, decisions.
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Old 12-29-2007, 11:42 PM   #46
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

Anyone could help me defining range colours for those stats:
(playing FR NL100-NL400 at Ongame)

CB: (Continuation Bet)
red :
orange :
yellow :
green :
pink :

CBF: (Folds Continuation Bet)
red :
orange :
yellow :
green :
pink :

FB: (Folded Big Blind to Steal)
red :
orange :
yellow :
green :
pink :

AS: (Attempted to Steal)
red :
orange :
yellow :
green :
pink :

WS: (Went to Showdown)
red :
orange :
yellow :
green :
pink :

$SWon At Showdown)
red :
orange :
yellow :
green :
pink :

For table avg:
TWTS: (Table Went to Showdown)
red :
orange :
green :

TWAS: (Table Won at Swhowdown)
red :
orange :
green :

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Old 12-31-2007, 01:38 AM   #47
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no ppl using this stats???

or jus no ppl who want to help?
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Old 12-31-2007, 04:58 AM   #48
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...



I just wanted to put mine up here for criticism..
Any suggestions?

stats are:
combined 1 - vpip/pfr/hands
combined 2 - agg freq flop/turn/river
combined 3 - cbet/fold to cb/calls cb/raises cb
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:18 AM   #49
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

how do I get the combo stats to have more spaces between the numbers? I cant read em
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:33 AM   #50
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Re: PAHUD Stat breakdown by color...

I see it is since my Table is so small. Any way to fix this? I have more room I just need to be able to spread the stats.?
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