Not sure if this will get any love...but im interested in creating a well agreed upon color/stat system for my PAHUD. in case u havnt done so already, i would really suggest that u color code things, esp if ur playin many tables at once. its makes things easy to see on the fly, and can help u auto-pilot in certain spots (if u see a red raise from EP, it helps ur CO calling range quite a bit...)

ill give my breakdowns...and hopefully ppl can critique where my breakdowns are and we can discuss where numbers should change (also, might make color coding uniform so some1 cud say "Villian is pinky" and everyone understands)

my colors:
Red = rock
Orange = pretty damn tight
Yellow = avg player
Green = "Go" player (plays fast)
Pink = Loosey Goosey

VPIP:
red : 0-11
orange : 11.01-16
yellow : 16.01-21
green : 21.01-26
pink : 26.01+

PFR:
red : 0-5.5
orange : 5.501-9.5
yellow : 9.501-14.5
green : 14.501-21
pink : 21.01+

TA: (total aggro factor)
red : 0-.75
orange : .76-1.6
yellow : 1.61-2.25
green : 2.26-3
pink : 3.01+


For Table Stats:

Table VPIP:
red : 0-15
orange : 15.01-25
green : 25.01+

Table PFR:
red : 0-4
orange : 4.01-9
green : 9.01+

all comments welcome. just plz give reasons why for everything. also, maybe this could become the thread for all stats to b contained in as to not clutter the rest of the forum with "do my stats look..." threads

In my experiences these seem to be right on. I only have 4 colors for stats, so I'm using wider ranges to define the yellow and green players. Our red and orange stats are within .5% of each other. I'm going to add the 5th color for VPIP and PFR to be consistent with your suggestion.

On the TA ranges, one question: is labeling a player with a 1.61 TA as average an accurate description? Are color ranges for TA more limit (i.e. stakes) dependent. Obviously this stat is interpreted in the context of all the other stats, but at 25NL full-ring (where I play) a TA of 1.6 probably deserves to be red or orange IMO as this often a better player.

Do you have any other color coded stats? I'd be interested in your thoughts on color-coded ranges for C-bets, folds to C-bets, and steal attempts.

I like your system here quite a bit. I see one flaw, you have yellow starting at 9.5 on pfr but 16 on vpip. The yellow color in itself seems to represent pretty strong regulars who are kinda tag but mixing it up, goodplayers. Most good players won't raise any less than 2/3 of their hands in relation to vpip. So if you have 16 vpip the pfr for yellow should be around 10.5 IMO.

tell u the truth, im not 100% confident in my color coding for TA.

also, i dont use the other stats (CB%, Steals, folds to CB...). however, why dont u post urs, and we can discuss off those colors.

my guess wud b that green for A2S wud b about 24. (tho i dont find A2S a number i need often, i dont think colorcoding it wud b a bad thing at all. if nothing else, it provides a chance to think about stats).

You really should. These stats influence my decisions on a regular basis.

I don't use the color coding that you do. I use a different color for each stat rather than a color for each value. Some stats are interrelated and you need to look at more than one to determine your play. I think it's easier to see quickly if I know what color to look for as opposed to looking for a certain stat and then seeing what color it is.

I'm still adjusting mine, but right now I have the following:

CB%
0-30
30-50
50-70
70-100

Steals
0-5
5-15
15-30
30-100

Folds to CB (I've found I only need three colors so far for this as anyone folding by a little more than 50%+ is a target for me).
0-30
30-50
50-100

Not sure what to set WSD and W$SD at yet.
WSD
0-10
10-30
30-50
50-100

W$SD
0-20
20-40
40-60
60-100

i agree about looking at multiple stats to make correct decsions (or more correct). however, i have a very simple layout so i kno exactly where every stat is



i also hate too much clutter, and wud never want more than 7 things up (4 are already taken, VPIP/PFR/AF/HANDS). and because at 50FR i feel like i can autopilot, i havnt bothered with the new stats. but, if we can come up with some solid breakdowns...ill try em out for a few seshs and see if i can start adjusting

i think i like ur fold to CB. and ill have to do some thinkin on the CB%. wud u mind screenshoting ur layout so i can see what it looks like? thnx

Mine are colored more cold to hot i.e. blue to red. I probably need to adjust my ranges though.

What does everyone think about a universal color code? It's kind of like getting everyone on HSP to straddle, I'll go along w/ it if everyone else does.

(that was secretly one of my goals with this thread =) )

I'll post a screenshot as soon as I get home.

I generally try to color code things so that green means I want them at my table (very loose, very passive, folds to all CBs, folds all blinds to steals, etc.), and red means I don't want them at my table (aggressive, tight, defends blinds, etc.... I currently don't have separate codes for players that are, for example, so tight that I do want them at my table). I also have pink as past red instead of past green (though I think my "pink" is more of a magenta color), I only use it to draw my attention to especially high aggression since I'm so used to green / orange / red and magenta stands out.

i just use pink to mean lucid. generally a non thinkin player who u can VB hella light and often, and can call down lighter as well.

Here's a screenshot for Full Tilt. It's the most clutered site to play on I find due to the layout, perhaps I should play on one of the other formats or get a mod. I use combination stats on Stars and Party but I couldn't get them to fit on Full Tilt.

By the way, my reasoning on the fold to c-bet is that if I'm making 3/4 to full pot sized C-bets, I'm profiting automatically against the 50%+ group.

The middle group is probably drawing a lot of the time and I can probably double barrel some of them if a draw doesn't hit the turn, read dependant of course.

The last group I try to make notes on a lot and don't c-bet as much without at least something or unless I'm sure the board missed them. They don't fold so either they have me figured out and know that I'm C-betting with air a lot of the time or they are just plain calling stations. I usually take V$PIP and TA into account then to make the distinction. A low V$PIP and high TA calling me down is either floating or trapping and I need to be careful. A high V$PIP and WSD and low TA is just calling down with any part of the board so I tighten up and value bet hard. This is why I like to have as many stats visible as possible rather than having to click for the pop-up.

Hope this helps.

Edit: In case my pic is too cluttered, the stats are:

Left side: V$PIP / PFR / TA / Hands
Right Side: Attempted to Steal / Cbet / Went to Showdown / Won $ at Showdown
Bottom: Fold to Cbet / Call Cbet / Raise CBet

how many tables do u play at once? that seems like it wud bug my eyes out 12-14tabling

I only 4 table on Full Tilt if that, I'm having trouble with PAHUD there (or maybe it's just the FT software) but everything keeps freezing up on me every 5 minutes so I rarely play there anymore. I was just looking at the racetrack layout, never thought about it but that would probably work better for combined stats.

I usually play 6-8 on Party and Stars with the combined stats. Much easier to see.

Grunching.... 'cause I'm lazy

I take all the "Watch Out!!" range and make it red. Then use yellow, then green.

But, and this is where grunching might be wrong, I assume others are not fully thinking thru the color-code system. I put the "excellent" player in red and work my way to fishy green. Also, only use three colors to minimize my over-reliance on the stats. I have, in the past, overused the stats/HUD (especially the icon YUCK)and now with just three colors, it reminds me that the colors are only a suggestion of villain's tendancies.

I am going to list my colors for VP$IP in generic numbers as I don't have the actually numbers avail right now.

0-10% Yellow
11-22% Red
23-99% Green

The super rock is not that hard to play against. Why would you color code him RED??? Make all your "excellent" player stats red and you will get a better picture of the TABLE DYNAMICS when skimming thru looking for a table to join.

Just MHO.

JH1

EDIT: Geez, I can't stand FTP Player icons...why do you still show them? They just clutter the screen IMHO.

Go to PAHUD and delete from your layout:

VP$IP
PFR
AGG
WTSD
Hands

Next, configure a Combination Stat to incorporate the previously deleted. Position across the top of player name box.

That will go a LONG way to freeing up space on a FTP table.

If you want to save on space and declutter you can use "combined stats"
For example I have the standard VPIP/PFR/AF all in one line. That clears up some space so you can add "fold to c-bet" etc.

I use colour coding too but I have no idea what colours to use for
- WSD
- Fold to C-bet

Edit - See King Spews post above for a better explaination! LOL.

Hi.

I´ve been using my HUD without any structure to the colour code, basically just using the default ones. I think you´re right about trying to settle a "standard" to the colour codes. My personal opinion is that using 5 colours like OP (Split Suit)is to many as it will be hard to get a "quick" read of the opponent. I liked the idea of having a "good player" colour like King Spew suggested, but I think that using only 3 colours makes the ranges to wide but then again, like he said, it´s only a suggestion to villains tendencies.
I use 2 combined stats in my HUD, each with 4 stats in them (VPIP/PFR/TA/ATS and CC/CB/FCB/WSD) and if I find a player with the first line all in the red I would know that this is a player who knows what he´s doing. Here´s a suggestion of colours/ranges mixed from posts in this thread. Feel free to hack them (or me ) to pieces if you don´t like them, but please explain why.

Yellow = Tight or passive
Red = Reg / good player
Pink = upper range of the red. Looser / more aggro.
Green = probably quite exploitable

VPIP
0-11 Yellow
11-21 Red
22-26 Pink
27- Green

PFR
0-9 Yellow
9-16 Red
17-22 Pink
23- Green

TA
0-1,6 Yellow
1,61-2,25 Red
2,25-3 Pink
3- Green

ATS
0-15 Yellow
15-35 Red
35-55 Pink
55- Green

FCB
Like JH1 above.

CB/WSD/CC
I need some help with those so please.......

// M

CB
85-100 Yellow
70-85 Red
<70 Green

WTSD

<17 Green
17-24 Red
24+ Yellow

CC

Don't really care... don't use in my decision making.

i rly think that if we are going to do a 3-4 color system (which i dont mind if everyone finds it simplier) we do

Red - very rock
Yellow - middle road
Green - go time
Pink loosesy

and what do tehse comobo-stats do? ( I skimmed, so if it was covered, i missed it. is it the auto4 stats? (vpip/pfr/af/hands))

Can't believe I never knew this. Thx.

Reduces footprint of the HUD. Same stats...less space.

How do you copy the color and ranges once they are set up for one poker site to the other sites. Is there a way to do this without exporting everything which would mess around with the placement of the stats.