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Old 05-25-2008, 04:54 AM   #201
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Beat: Winner at Special Olympics (25NL)
Stats & Graph (PT3) for 60,000 Hands at Full Ring 25NL while 4 tabling:



Say what you will.
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Old 05-25-2008, 05:53 AM   #202
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Beat: Winner at Special Olympics (25NL)
Stats & Graph (PT3) for 60,000 Hands at Full Ring 25NL while 4 tabling:



Say what you will.
[x] luckiest man on the planet
[ ] aggressive player
[ ] good player
[ ] i love seeing those graphs+stats.
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Old 05-25-2008, 06:09 AM   #203
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[x] luckiest man on the planet
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[ ] i love seeing those graphs+stats.
you are retarded if u think luck has anything to do with a 6PTBB/100 winner over 60,000 hands that multi-tables.

if u dont like graphs then GTFO of the GRAPHS THREAD!
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Old 05-25-2008, 07:00 AM   #204
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Thanks for the observation. I'll remember that. One thing I KNOW I've always been weak at is getting value on the river with medium strength hands (good, likely the best hand, but not strong enough to hold up to a raise on the end). My flop and turn AF are pretty high, and then you see a sudden drop to like 1.7 on the river.
I think it's completely normal to have flop AF > turn AF > river AF, and it's good to frequently check behind medium strength hands on the river, especially if you've already had two streets of value.
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Old 05-25-2008, 09:59 AM   #205
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you are retarded if u think luck has anything to do with a 6PTBB/100 winner over 60,000 hands that multi-tables.

if u dont like graphs then GTFO of the GRAPHS THREAD!



This always confuses me, but is you PTBB/100 not 3?
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:01 PM   #206
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This always confuses me, but is you PTBB/100 not 3?
6ptbb/100 = 12bb/100 = top 10% all players
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:03 PM   #207
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Analysis? imo you are profiting huge because of finding worse players, not because you are outplaying them.

GJ on table selection. I'm curious what your method is for finding tables.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:11 PM   #208
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Analysis? imo you are profiting huge because of finding worse players, not because you are outplaying them.

GJ on table selection. I'm curious what your method is for finding tables.
How can you say im not outplaying people, really?
if that was true id be a losing player.

As for your question, pick the tables with the biggest pots and find the idiot who keeps making the pots huge and pwn him.

He doesnt have it every time he is just overplaying marginal spots! Find a spot, a strong spot, against this compulsive gambler, and push.

easy strat imo pays well

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Old 05-25-2008, 02:25 PM   #209
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How can you say im not outplaying people, really?
if that was true id be a losing player.

As for your question, pick the tables with the biggest pots and find the idiot who keeps making the pots huge and pwn him.
1. To win at poker you don't necessarily have to play well, you just have to play better than your opponents, even if that only means they are playing worse than you. I could be playing bad poker, but as long as my opponents are making more mistakes than I am, I come out ahead of them.

2. I'll change it up a bit. I usually look for % Players to flop, but I'll give the Average Pot approach a try.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:49 PM   #210
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1. To win at poker you don't necessarily have to play well, you just have to play better than your opponents, even if that only means they are playing worse than you. I could be playing bad poker, but as long as my opponents are making more mistakes than I am, I come out ahead of them.

2. I'll change it up a bit. I usually look for % Players to flop, but I'll give the Average Pot approach a try.
what does is matter if how many people are going to flop when none of them pay once theyve reached it?

id rather be at the table where just 1 or 2 people are paying huge after the flop. easy targets.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:53 PM   #211
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what does is matter if how many people are going to flop when none of them pay once theyve reached it?

id rather be at the table where just 1 or 2 people are paying huge after the flop. easy targets.
A table with 35% of the table seeing the flop is usually due to limping. And good players rarely limp.

ie, the higher the number of limpers, the more number of bad players, and the larger the pots preflop so that you can raise big with your big hands and punish them.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:58 PM   #212
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And good players rarely limp.
I think thats a huge understatement. Ill limp AA EP just to look weak to some agressive fool behind me who is going to overplay his pocket 99s

I mean, i know my hand isnt weak. But does he know that i know that he knows i think he thinks my hand is weak? Probably not.
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Old 05-25-2008, 03:02 PM   #213
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I think thats a huge understatement. Ill limp AA EP just to look weak to some agressive fool behind me who is going to overplay his pocket 99s

I mean, i know my hand isnt weak. But does he know that i know that he knows i think he thinks my hand is weak? Probably not.
That's a mistake for so many reasons, unless you are totally comfortable c/f AA when 6 people are in the pot.

edit: lol, my statement still stands. "Good players rarely limp."
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Old 05-25-2008, 03:29 PM   #214
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That's a mistake for so many reasons, unless you are totally comfortable c/f AA when 6 people are in the pot.

edit: lol, my statement still stands. "Good players rarely limp."
i'll limp anytime it lets someone behind me think they have the best hand. You can call that whatever you want, i call it getting paid.
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Old 05-25-2008, 04:47 PM   #215
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How has this troll not been banned yet? Seriously, the number of times he's posted the exact same graphs in BBV...

Strde, we're all very impressed. 60k hands could be a matter of variance, but you're probably right that it's possible to crush 25NL with what many people would consider a weak playing style. I just wish you'd stop waving your e-peen in everyone's face.
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Old 05-27-2008, 02:39 AM   #216
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what does is matter if how many people are going to flop when none of them pay once theyve reached it?

id rather be at the table where just 1 or 2 people are paying huge after the flop. easy targets.
Is your preflop raise really that low?
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Old 05-27-2008, 09:10 AM   #217
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you are retarded if u think luck has anything to do with a 6PTBB/100 winner over 60,000 hands that multi-tables.

if u dont like graphs then GTFO of the GRAPHS THREAD!
people can run good for even longer periods of time, but ur PFR and other stats just show u have no clue?
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Old 05-27-2008, 01:07 PM   #218
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Well hey guys, obviously he's found a style that is profitable for him. 12/9 is not the goal; the goal is to win money, and that is usually accomplished by playing your hands aggressively in the right spots, which usually leads to a 12/9 (or similar) style.

I think what's worth pointing out is that this 17/4 game shows that people overvalue their hands and will pay you off big when you flop sets or better. Playing winning poker is all about adjusting to your table and situations, and taking advantage of your opponents' mistakes. This style might work for him at micro stakes, but probably not higher. Robot poker != winning poker.
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:28 PM   #219
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hello guys,

what is a normal to good winrate (bb/100h) on the limits 25 and 50NL playing @ 9 tables
and what is a good sample size to see that?
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:29 PM   #220
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I think everyone is forgetting that there is more than one way to skin a cat. I wouldn't be surprised if one could show a profit playing 7/4 or 35/20 or anywhere in between at the micros. For most people playing 7/4 would be about as much fun as a trip to the dentist but hey some people like the dentist. Also as you move up being a nit no longer works from what I've read, so in that respect a player who is 7/4 is going to be much further behind than someone who's been playing 20/12 from day 1.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:53 AM   #221
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I feel so retarded, but how are you guys uploading these stats? I try to search, but not having any luck.
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Old 05-28-2008, 01:59 AM   #222
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I feel so retarded, but how are you guys uploading these stats? I try to search, but not having any luck.
1 Screen shot stats
2 Upload to imageshack
3 Post image in proper img tags
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5 Profit!
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hello guys,

what is a normal to good winrate (bb/100h) on the limits 25 and 50NL playing @ 9 tables
and what is a good sample size to see that?
Check the master sticky
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Well hey guys, obviously he's found a style that is profitable for him. 12/9 is not the goal; the goal is to win money, and that is usually accomplished by playing your hands aggressively in the right spots, which usually leads to a 12/9 (or similar) style.

I think what's worth pointing out is that this 17/4 game shows that people overvalue their hands and will pay you off big when you flop sets or better. Playing winning poker is all about adjusting to your table and situations, and taking advantage of your opponents' mistakes. This style might work for him at micro stakes, but probably not higher. Robot poker != winning poker.
Fo sho. Before I realised how much I sucked I was a marginal winner playing 20/4 at 25NL, so I'm sure that with decent postflop skillz 16/3 can work pretty nicely. As a 16/10 I can definitely appreciate the value of limping here and there

Also agree that there's no chance it works much higher.
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:31 AM   #225
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I found my old NL25 database, imported it to pokertracker and took a little analyzing time...

Please don't mind NL100 stats because it happened duo to fish'ez tilt migration to bigger limits thinking about taking moneyz back. Didn't happen

Differences between NL25 and NL50
- smaller BB/100 @ NL50 (I blame 10k downswing/breakeven where everything went wrong. We all know downswing things and I won't write about certain situations, let's just say there was a little tilting and bad play too)

- I have tightened my play at NL50 preflop and I'm showing more aggression on all stages postflop. Hm, don't really know why but it seems nothing is wrong with tightening, no? Surely it's not about scare money ...

- on NL50 I have lower won$sd (downswing?) and lower went to sd (which might be good postflop betting - CBs,3-bets,..? I can say I improved myself on choosing good spots for cont. bets and 3-bets)

- I don't like position stats - it should look nicer

And my conclusion: I will never play AJ and AT eveaa again!!!

However - I'm really looking forward to read your comments and advises about improving my game. I thought I have relatively good sample size to observe if I play fine or not and especially to find any leaks in my play.

Thank you really much for replies!
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