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Old 05-20-2008, 09:02 PM   #176
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My stats: 20BB/100 Hands over 40,000 hands at 25NL

You are my hero.
But why are u posting this here?
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Old 05-21-2008, 02:39 AM   #177
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

Okay, I finally passed the 50K hand mark and want some peoples' opinions on my stats. A few things first. I know my ATS% is too low and it needs to be closer/as close as possible to 30%. The only archived thread I've seen on blind stealing is Pokey's old thread so if anyone has links to other blind stealing archived threads, then please PM me the links. I also think that my aggression factor is too low. Every street is about 2.5 so I need ideas on how to work on my AF (play a little 6max?). Here's are the stats; all comments/questions welcome. Thanks!

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Old 05-21-2008, 06:24 AM   #178
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dropping back to crush games like i did on the comeup.....sry 50nl FTP regs...i'll be gone soon

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Old 05-21-2008, 06:27 AM   #179
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thx

so what does this one means?????
it means you aren't exploiting very well, just winning $ because of the low skill level. if you are isolating, cbetting, and 3betting like you should be....your red line would steadily rise as you are winning steady $ just exploiting players, which iit doesn't look like you're doing enough of. Winning $ at SD however is a huge leak a lot of players have and it becomes MUCH harder to sustain a high W$@SD % at 200nl+
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Old 05-21-2008, 04:50 PM   #180
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Hello guys, after getting fed up with poor results i have decided to change my game a lot. Now I've played my first 5k hands, and these are the results i got:

poker tracker stats:

link if image is blurry

VP$IP ir PFR seems to me its fine, how do you think?
W$WSF - 46.44, but i have no idea what it should be after 50k hands or so. Is 46 normal?
WTSD - 20, seems like this stat is kind of small, does it depend on how many pots i attempt to steal?
AF - cant find where in pt3 af is divided into streets, so will type it down from pt2.
PREFLOP AF - 6.66
POSTFLOP AF - 7.37
TURN AF - 3.72
RIVER AF - 1.93
TOTAL AF - 6.07
i really don't like how it's getting lower from flop till the river, is this normal? Does that mean im not value betting my hands enough? does that mean i am giving too many free cards? How do i fix it if its a problem?
Att. To steal - 40, i've heard 30 is normal, so i guess its fine? Whats yours?

Fold BB to steal. 95%
Fold SB to steal. 89%
i don't fully understand how these stats work, neither what they are supposed to be. Now they show that i almost never defended my blind? is that very bad? I don't really like calling raises oop, so how to fix it if it needs fixing?

poker tracker graph:

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Please comment, what do green blue and red lines mean, i have read a few times about them, but never really got to understand them fully.

pokerEV stats and graph:
linke here, because pic is too big.

same questions as the previous ones.


Now what do i expect from this post? i want you guys to read and check out data provided, and give me your thoughts whats wrong, what can be improved, i want to fix as much of my leaks as possible. I am not including hand stats nor position stats, cause i think the sample size is way too small for that. Any comments are welcome, that are constructive and thought through.
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:09 PM   #181
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I know this is annoying, but I'd like a word on my 25nl stats since I dropped down from 100nl..
(and after reading the new HOC books twice)

I've been completing the sb with a huge range,
and showing a profit w/o blinds here at 25nl.
PF play is weak & usually sitting right of a nit.
adapting or spewy?

Is this bloating my vpip and skewing my stats?
for example, wtsd is low.. is that good, bad, or skewed by SB vpip?
Could this be deceptively weak to people just looking at my basic stats & not position?
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Old 05-21-2008, 07:27 PM   #182
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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I know this is annoying, but I'd like a word on my 25nl stats since I dropped down from 100nl..
(and after reading the new HOC books twice)

I've been completing the sb with a huge range,
and showing a profit w/o blinds here at 25nl.
PF play is weak & usually sitting right of a nit.
adapting or spewy?

Is this bloating my vpip and skewing my stats?
for example, wtsd is low.. is that good, bad, or skewed by SB vpip?
Could this be deceptively weak to people just looking at my basic stats & not position?

My SB lose is only -.10 bb/hand so you still still to be losing alot. a high VPIP from the blinds is always a bad idea as you are going to be OOP all the time from the SB.


I'd also looking to increase your VPIP from the hijacks, there's probaly a few hands you could raise there if it#s folded to you are only 1 limper like SC's, Suited gappers, AXs and even Kxs.

Your WT to SD % also seems quite low for your high VPIP.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:27 AM   #183
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25 NL for 60k Hands - - I'm a BALLER





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Old 05-22-2008, 05:26 AM   #184
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pokerscaresme, the two stats that stick out the most to me are your won$ when saw flop and won $ at showdown. Your won $ when saw flop is pretty low, I don't know what a good one to shoot for is, but I'm pretty sure you are bleeding money in non-showdown pots by not being aggressive enough. This probably is due in main part to the fact that you are so loose out of the blinds that many of the hands you are playing are OOP, which as we know is just a huge disadvantage.
Similarly your won $ at showdown seems kinda low, while this isn't neccessarily a bad thing (some highly profitable more loose/aggressive players have lower Won $ @ showdown), it seems to me you might be calling down a bit too light in some spots, or you could be bluffing in bad spots, again this probably has something to do with the amount of hands you are playing out of position.

I think the best thing you can do is to tighten up in the blinds BIG TIME. This will get your vpip down closer to your PFR and will most likely save you money imo.
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Old 05-23-2008, 01:34 AM   #185
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For the life of me, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I don't know if I'm just running bad, playing bad, or spewing. I realize I am showing a (small) profit overall at 25NL, but I've lost nearly $200 in the last couple months. I looked at my stats and I can't figure it out. I really am at the end of the line here. I feel I have a good grasp of the game, but 25NL has been a frigging pain in the ass trying to profit there. Help please???!

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Old 05-24-2008, 02:17 AM   #186
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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I know this is annoying, but I'd like a word on my 25nl stats since I dropped down from 100nl..
(and after reading the new HOC books twice)

I've been completing the sb with a huge range,
and showing a profit w/o blinds here at 25nl.
PF play is weak & usually sitting right of a nit.
adapting or spewy?

Is this bloating my vpip and skewing my stats?
for example, wtsd is low.. is that good, bad, or skewed by SB vpip?
Could this be deceptively weak to people just looking at my basic stats & not position?

Comparing your stats at NL25 to my own since April 1 (11,229 hands, close enough to your 13,389)

Tighten up from the SB. (Mine's at 24) Your at 40.
Your cold call % is a bit high from LP.

PF I think you need to tighten up a bit more from EP. You could probably easily shave 1-1.5% off the first two positions.
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Old 05-24-2008, 05:57 AM   #187
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

Quick question:
I play 15/12/3 (25k hands)
W$SD is 55%
W$WSF is 39%
WTSD is 23%

Is my WTSD too low at 23%? Generally, what is a good WTSD%? What's too high? I suppose it's dependent on VPIP and PFR? It's a stat I just don't know how to interpret.
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Old 05-24-2008, 06:35 AM   #188
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Analyze my NL50 stats

I`m thinking of starting playing on 1-2 tables of nl100. I think I don`t have any major leaks, but I`d appreciate if you take a look at my pt stats and comment on them:




Thanks!

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Old 05-24-2008, 06:55 AM   #189
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:18 AM   #190
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id limp less preflop but if this style works for you keep it up
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:56 AM   #191
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please coach me.
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:28 PM   #192
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Wow, sick variance IMO.

Also, there is a sticky for stats analysis.
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:42 PM   #193
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Post this is the sticky.

One thing I noticed was your steal attempts are low relative to your PFR%. Attack more from later position. Don't limp behind with JTs.
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:49 PM   #194
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Wow, sick variance IMO.


Where do you see that?
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:51 PM   #195
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Where do you see that?
Ummm... I was kidding His worst downswing over 30k hands is about 3 buyins.
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Old 05-24-2008, 03:52 PM   #196
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Looks very good, but...

Since the majority of your hands are even now in NL25, I would grind at NL50 for awhile to see if your magical winrate keeps up. Something like 50k hands should be convincing.

Obviously take shots at NL100 on good (loose) days but I'd keep to NL50 for a bit just to gain confidence.
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Old 05-24-2008, 08:23 PM   #197
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For the life of me, I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I don't know if I'm just running bad, playing bad, or spewing. I realize I am showing a (small) profit overall at 25NL, but I've lost nearly $200 in the last couple months. I looked at my stats and I can't figure it out. I really am at the end of the line here. I feel I have a good grasp of the game, but 25NL has been a frigging pain in the ass trying to profit there. Help please???!

Anyone?
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:06 PM   #198
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Sample size? 18k hands isn't a ton tbh.

Comparing your stats to my own (I've been running 8PTBB/100 over 15k hands at 25NL; probably a heater but I feel I've got the basics down) one trend seems to stand out:

Your W$WSF and AF are higher than mine (40 and 4.3 vs 34 and 2.2) whereas your WTSD and W$SD are lower (21.5 and 52.5 vs 26 and 56.5). What this says to me is that you're pushing your hands pretty hard - maybe too hard.

I imagine that compared to me you try to get much more value out of your TPTK type hands, and (IMO) end up turning them into bluffs - either folding out worse hands or getting called by better. Maybe you also semibluff more often than me, when (IMO) you can play your draws more passively and still get paid off.

I could be completely wrong, so sorry if this is really patronizing, but it's my best guess from the numbers. If you'd like I could send you more detailed stats of mine - I've got a pretty small sample atm but it might be helpful.

Edit: like I said at the top, the really simple answer could very easily be variance. It could very easily be the case that in fact I should be pushing my hands harder
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I can't really help you too much with your stats, because our styles are too different. But one thing stands out pretty strong - you don't get paid off on your flushes. Like beakachu said, it looks like you are blowing people off their hands. My guess you like to shove your flush on the river, and are missing tons of value here.
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Old 05-25-2008, 02:56 AM   #200
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I can't really help you too much with your stats, because our styles are too different. But one thing stands out pretty strong - you don't get paid off on your flushes. Like beakachu said, it looks like you are blowing people off their hands. My guess you like to shove your flush on the river, and are missing tons of value here.
Thanks for the observation. I'll remember that. One thing I KNOW I've always been weak at is getting value on the river with medium strength hands (good, likely the best hand, but not strong enough to hold up to a raise on the end). My flop and turn AF are pretty high, and then you see a sudden drop to like 1.7 on the river.
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