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04-25-2009 , 03:05 PM
Ive changed my style now to a 12/9/5 from a 9/5/2, and I was expecting to improve in the blinds but im still -27bb/100 in the blinds. What should I be doing to reduce that number? and what loss rate should I be ainming for?
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04-25-2009 , 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Jedi Speed Racer
Ive changed my style now to a 12/9/5 from a 9/5/2, and I was expecting to improve in the blinds but im still -27bb/100 in the blinds. What should I be doing to reduce that number? and what loss rate should I be ainming for?
Have you read mpethy's blind play post in this thread. It was linked a couple pages back.
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04-25-2009 , 10:42 PM
how many hands at a particular level do you need to have a worthwhile sample for hand analysis iyo?
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04-25-2009 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by BigLawMonies
how many hands at a particular level do you need to have a worthwhile sample for hand analysis iyo?
20,000 min IMO
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04-26-2009 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
20,000 min IMO
Does the amount of multi-tabling you do have an impact on this minimum figure?

Thanks.
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04-26-2009 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
Does the amount of multi-tabling you do have an impact on this minimum figure?

Thanks.
I would say if you are playing 10+ tables you need to adjust up. People who are 24 tabling need to adjust way up. Most 24 tables can get 10,000+ hands in a day no problem.
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04-26-2009 , 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by BigLawMonies
how many hands at a particular level do you need to have a worthwhile sample for hand analysis iyo?
Depends on what stats you want to look at.

If it's positional PFR, 10k is enough.
If it's winrate, 1M is most likely not enough.

The rest is in between
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04-27-2009 , 01:30 AM
Hi, my winrate is way too low, I want to know how can I improve it, help me to find my leaks in my stats:





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04-27-2009 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by brazucacharrua
Hi, my winrate is way too low, I want to know how can I improve it, help me to find my leaks in my stats:





More detailed stats will probably be necessary. I don't see anything major so far. Small things are it looks like you might be 3 betting barely to light but that could easily not be a bad thing. Check your 3 bet winnings.
Looks like you might be a bit on the over aggressive side but that is also not always a bad thing at $50nl.
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04-27-2009 , 09:08 PM
Is ATS% on pokertracker the same as steal pct on holdem manager?
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04-28-2009 , 07:18 AM
Hey guys,

I'd be very grateful if some of you poker wizards could help out review my stats. I'm doing ok at 25NL, been playing for a month now. Specifically I'm curious about the following:

- Is my red line something to worry about, or is this normal?

- My WTSD is a bit under 20%, is this a sign I fold the best hand too often? Is this related to the red line?

- I'm losing money in the blinds, but I suppose that's relatively normal, is the rate at which I'm losing money there allright? Am I too loose in the blinds?

- I tend to play all PP, decent suited connectors, AJs+ UTG, leading to 12/9 there, which seems a bit high to me, what do you guys think?

- How about my 3-bet and fold 3B percentages?

And anything else you can spot, would be great, thanks!

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04-28-2009 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by liquidox
Hey guys,

I'd be very grateful if some of you poker wizards could help out review my stats. I'm doing ok at 25NL, been playing for a month now. Specifically I'm curious about the following:

- Is my red line something to worry about, or is this normal?

- My WTSD is a bit under 20%, is this a sign I fold the best hand too often? Is this related to the red line?

- I'm losing money in the blinds, but I suppose that's relatively normal, is the rate at which I'm losing money there allright? Am I too loose in the blinds?

- I tend to play all PP, decent suited connectors, AJs+ UTG, leading to 12/9 there, which seems a bit high to me, what do you guys think?

- How about my 3-bet and fold 3B percentages?

And anything else you can spot, would be great, thanks!

Your stats from what I saw look ok. your problem is that you are not positionally aware. Your VPIP/PFR does not increase nearly enough the closer you get to the button. Your EP range should be significantly smaller then your LP range. It does increase but only slightly. Closer your range a bit in EP and open up way more from the HJ on.
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04-29-2009 , 11:48 AM
Hello all,

im playing poker for 5 months now, ive started on NL10 on bossmedia, after 3 months ive felt comfortable enough to move up to NL25, those are my stats from my 2 months of ups and downs there.

my thought after analyzing my stats is that i should loosen up from late middle positions (2 and 3) and 3 bet a little more pre flop, it would be awesome if you could give me some more advice


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04-29-2009 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Allisnice
Hello all,

im playing poker for 5 months now, ive started on NL10 on bossmedia, after 3 months ive felt comfortable enough to move up to NL25, those are my stats from my 2 months of ups and downs there.

my thought after analyzing my stats is that i should loosen up from late middle positions (2 and 3) and 3 bet a little more pre flop, it would be awesome if you could give me some more advice


Stats look pretty solid all around. Suggestions of stuff I saw.

1) 3 bet a tid bit more as you stated

2) Loosen up a bit more in LP as you stated. Given your VPIP/PFR you are pretty close to optimal but think you should loosen up a little tiny bit more from the BT, CO, HJ.

3) Decrease your CBET %. This is easily exploitable and will be once you move up a level. It is probably not being exploited as much at $25nl but you need to start preparing to move up.

4) Read Mpethys blind post that has been linked many times here. Looks like you need to work just a little bit on your blind play.

5) I would probably decrease your AF a little bit. It appears a small amount high.

All together your stats look pretty solid and you are easily beating the level it appears so I wouldnt make to many drastic changes.
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04-30-2009 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by brazucacharrua
Hi, my winrate is way too low, I want to know how can I improve it, help me to find my leaks in my stats:





They look good except, you are open limping from utg, utg+1. IMO if its good enuff to play in ep then its good enuff to raise. Unless you are limping with AA+KK but that is so cliche.
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04-30-2009 , 07:26 PM
Fold to PF 3bet in PT3 and HEM

Hey guys,

As mpethybridge noticed in his analysis my PT3 "fold to PF 3bets %" is way too high (84%), I found that it's much lower in Holdem Manager (yeah, I use both...): about 60%. I found this in the Holdem Manager Forum:


"Holdem Manager calculates Fold to 3bet:
When facing a 3bet as the Pre flop raiser and you fold

PT3 calculates Fold to 3bet:
When facing a 3bet whether your the original raiser or not and you fold

So in a situation where UTG opens and MP 3bets then the person in CO, button and both blinds will all have their fold to 3bet stats effected. So looks like theyll need to fix that as its pretty useless in that scenario and youll probably need to reimport all your hands, not sure tbh so youll need to contact their support."



Anyone is aware of this difference? Maybe this has been discussed in this thread before, I didn't read every reply. I can see in my positional stats in PT3 that my fold to PF 3bet is 98% in the big blind. But also my other positions are affected of course...

So 60% fold to PF 3bets AS PREFLOP RAISER is not too high I guess? Maybe even too low?
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05-01-2009 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by brazucacharrua
Hi, my winrate is way too low, I want to know how can I improve it, help me to find my leaks in my stats:





Overall, I think it looks fine, BUT:

You are over aggresive: Yes, don't play fit or fold, please. I think calling is highly underestimated (At least IP).

You are a blind-nit: Learn to play back man! 3-bet their steals! Folding to 85% of steal attempts is just outragous!

You are stealing too little: Yep, I like a ATS of at least 50%. If you steal over 50% you are gonna get played back at in the begining, but that's nothing that a few 4-bets can't fix.
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05-02-2009 , 09:49 PM
wazup, guys, i'm starting to play NL10 with some really good tips from one of my best friends and member of 2p2 juguerra.
so, thats it, please say what you think about of the graph!



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05-02-2009 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Angryus
wazup, guys, i'm starting to play NL10 with some really good tips from one of my best friends and member of 2p2 juguerra.
so, thats it, please say what you think about of the graph!



I think that it is not even close to a big enough sample to even look at. Samples less then 10,000 are useless to do any analysis on. Play more hands and work on your game and once you get 20,000 hands then we can take a look.
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05-03-2009 , 12:37 AM
i think that i can do this in one week, i'll try and then post the new graph. I just played 1k more hands and the graph looks like the same!
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05-03-2009 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
Samples less then 10,000 are useless to do any analysis on.
That's not even close to being true

Pre-flop and non-positional stats will tend to be converged while winrates, turn and river stats will tend not to be.
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05-03-2009 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by vinnie2k
That's not even close to being true

Pre-flop and non-positional stats will tend to be converged while winrates, turn and river stats will tend not to be.
In my last 16,000 hands my VPIP/PFR has changed back and forth a lot. Also he is not asking up to just look at his VPIP or PFR he is wanting a analysis of his stats. Plus the main reason why I think anything less than 10,000 for anyone posting in this thread is hard to analyze is because everyone is just starting out and trying to figure out their game. So their game changes a lot in their first 10,000 hands and their VPIP/PFR will vary a lot. IMO
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05-03-2009 , 11:09 AM
Now, in total, I played 2.8k hands and my stats changed to 22/19 (VPIP/PFR) it's not big change... and my graph still pretty much the same, red line up, green line in the middle and blue line down
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05-03-2009 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Angryus
Now, in total, I played 2.8k hands and my stats changed to 22/19 (VPIP/PFR) it's not big change... and my graph still pretty much the same, red line up, green line in the middle and blue line down
Not a bad start to a good LAG style. Can be highly profitable if done right. Good luck to you.
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05-03-2009 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
Not a bad start to a good LAG style. Can be highly profitable if done right. Good luck to you.
Thanks, #1ThunderFan!
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