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04-11-2009 , 06:07 PM
Here are my stats from 50Nl, was wondering if anything bad jumps out, im going through a tough patch at the moment






cheers for any replies
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04-11-2009 , 06:26 PM
If I read your numbers right you seem to be limping a fair amount UTG, I would prefer a raise/fold descion UTG, personally.

You could steal the blinds a little more, maybe aim for around 40%, I'm not sure if thats achieveable at 50nl though. (I've only just moved up to 10nl).

Judging by your red line, you non-showdown game may have gone off a little, try to focus on why your c-betting in your lines or when / if you are making 2nd barrels etc. I've you taken some hits recently, don't let it effect you aggression and allow yourself to be taken off too many pots.
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04-11-2009 , 06:27 PM
*bump* to my own stats a little further up the thread, please.
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04-11-2009 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
*bump* to my own stats a little further up the thread, please.
Looks like your doing a pretty damn good job. Your 10NL non showdown is kinda sick; almost looks like your thinking too much about scooping wo showdown, and you may be loosing value in some spots where you could be inducing bluffs etc. with less aggressive plays. Always ask yourself what your trying to accomplish on a given street- gettin value- gettin a fold.

Numbers look pretty good to me though. Your steal seems kinda sick high. If you can, I'd try to filter that and look and which hands/positions, thinkgs are working/ not working.

Be happy your BB/100 is green. And for a decent amount
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04-11-2009 , 08:35 PM
Is it typical to be losing $'s with (high card) and (one pair) final hands? I know (two pair) is the average winning hand in poker.
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04-12-2009 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by foldingAApreflop
Looks like your doing a pretty damn good job. Your 10NL non showdown is kinda sick; almost looks like your thinking too much about scooping wo showdown, and you may be loosing value in some spots where you could be inducing bluffs etc. with less aggressive plays. Always ask yourself what your trying to accomplish on a given street- gettin value- gettin a fold.

Numbers look pretty good to me though. Your steal seems kinda sick high. If you can, I'd try to filter that and look and which hands/positions, thinkgs are working/ not working.

Be happy your BB/100 is green. And for a decent amount
Thanks, I think I've bet/called a little light so far at 10nl... the games have been almost nitty pre, hence the good ATS, I guess I haven't adjusted when villains are coming along to showdown.

I don't filter much with PT, as I'm still unsure how to do it, I'll have to dig up some guides and get beyound that leak.
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04-12-2009 , 05:10 AM
Okey, I Posted my Stats earlier but I had no response =(

So now i'm trying again. What do you think about these stats?










Thanks in advance!
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04-12-2009 , 07:07 AM
@imfromsweeden

You seem a little on the passive side judging by your vpip/pfr ration and your AF, otherwise they seem fine to me.
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04-12-2009 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
@imfromsweeden

You seem a little on the passive side judging by your vpip/pfr ration and your AF, otherwise they seem fine to me.
Yeah, maybe cuz I play a lot of speculative hands, and especially since i'm actively trying to see cheap flops when there's fish in the hand.

@my low AF, well... I call too much...
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04-12-2009 , 08:27 AM
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Yeah, maybe cuz I play a lot of speculative hands, and especially since i'm actively trying to see cheap flops when there's fish in the hand.

@my low AF, well... I call too much...
I know what you mean about seeing cheap flops against the fish, but if your in say MP, try isolating them with a raise instead. Figure out what there like post flop, are they weak and will limp/call but fold the flop a lot, or do they call down with BP, in both cases a raise is good because you can't get 3 streets against the fish with TPNK when its MW, but heads up you might be able to go for it, and obviously if he's calling wide pre, but folding a bunchy on the flop easy monies.
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04-12-2009 , 12:02 PM
This is my first post on 2+2, after starting my online poker career over the last few days I have now come to realize that I suck ass at poker, so I need help remedying any holes in my game that I'm probably completely oblivious to...

I first played 1,394 hands at NL10 and played bad enough to average -4.39 BB/100, I then decided to move down to 2NL and see if that was any better. Over 1,005 hands of NL2 I have played historically bad, ran into some bad luck, and have a -32.86 BB/100. Yes, I realize this is a small sample size, but I'd love to hear some advice regarding my PT stats...

Here are my PT stats:



After failing playing somewhat tight but aggressive in NL10 I really opened up my raising range in NL2, assuming I could just run them over, which failed spectacularly....

One question I have regarding my stats, after reading some beginners guide stuff about using PT, apparently an optimum W$WSF is 35% and mine is at 47.49%, what does it that say about my flop game when it is this high? Should I try and win more hands preflop?

Here are my position stats:



A general facet of my game I know is weak is my play in the blinds, I'm really not comfortable playing aggressive poker out of position, and tend to play weak-tight out of the blinds. I don't how accurate those 'Folded BB to Steal' and 'Folded SB to Steal' stats are because apparently I have folded my SB to every single steal attempt in over 2k hands, but looking at my positional stats I lose alot of money in the BB, and am also losing some in the SB. Should I defend my blinds more in general?

My VP$IP stats look alright in terms of position, but looking at my PFR stats I can see that when I am UTG+2 the difference between the two stats should probably be smaller, ditto for UTG and UTG+1, so should I tighten up my calling range or starting raising more in early positions?

Any tips or advice appreciated....
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04-12-2009 , 01:22 PM
Hi!

First let me say, thats my first 1000 hands recorded.
I know its a ridicolous sample size, but I think very big faults you can see there.



Any advice will be appreciated!
Thanks in advance
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04-12-2009 , 03:00 PM
@ShootTheLightsOut

Your stats look okay as far as I can tell, just a little on the loose passive side. If you are really this new, I would play a tighter game at least for 10k hands until you get a little more used to the way of things.

You seem postionally aware and your AF looks good, you might have been able to 3B some more at 10nl, but that could be just due to your small sample size.
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04-12-2009 , 03:05 PM
@chriss71

You are very loose, and too passive for such a wide VPIP.

Are you playing 6max?, if so you should open raise every hand you play, never limp and tighten up to 22/18 or something until you get more experienced (and thats my 6max knowledge used up lol),

You drastically need to reduce your limping range, ideally stop limping altogether.

If you haven't read it yet, I strongly reccomend reading this:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...micros-430637/

I don't recognize the program your using, what is it?
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04-12-2009 , 04:17 PM
Thanks for your advice LuckyStraights!

No, i play fullring. I play every suited and not suited connectors (from 45up, every pair and some suited one Gapers. I dont know if its right, but if i hit my straight or my flush (i always plays only if the pot odds are correct) then it will be a nice amount. The same is when i play my small pairs (22-77) if i hit the set, then mostly i win 100bb.

The program is Holdem Manager.
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04-12-2009 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan
I think your VPIP/PFR look good but your AF is surprisingly high. I would tone down the aggression a bit IMO and that will probably help you showdown win rate.
I think mine are somehow close to his stats, comment my af (and the other stats if possible ) please

NL10:
7.4k hands
VPIP - 13.3%
PFR - 9.3%
3BET - 3.5%
AF - 3.37
ATS- 28.9%
WSF- 37.9%
WTS- 22.9%
Won at SD - 50.3%
BB/100- 2.36

PS: 24-tabling
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04-12-2009 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mfnb
I think mine are somehow close to his stats, comment my af (and the other stats if possible ) please

NL10:
7.4k hands
VPIP - 13.3%
PFR - 9.3%
3BET - 3.5%
AF - 3.37
ATS- 28.9%
WSF- 37.9%
WTS- 22.9%
Won at SD - 50.3%
BB/100- 2.36

PS: 24-tabling
off the top of my head, you could probably get to showdown a little more, though that might be hard 24 tabling, I rarley play more then 4 tables, and you could certainly blind steal more, though again this may be harder for a mass tabler, otherwise they seem okay.

I find it eassier to visualize someones game from a showdown / non showdown graph.
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04-12-2009 , 10:42 PM
Hi, as you can see my last 20k hands have not been great. (some of that was taking a shot at nl50) but I can't help but notice the graph stops going up when my red line starts going down, do you think this may be why? This happened when I eased off the aggression cause it was too high and I've been working on playing the player a lot more and not just aggro aggro aggro. I defiantly feel like I'm playing better poker but wondered if maybe I need to get my red line back up? If so how?

Thanks in advance for any comments etc

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04-13-2009 , 12:15 AM
I only have 16000 hands but my stats seem spot on to the ones in the OP. I was just wondering if my VPIP and PFR suggest that I'm too nitty? The first 10,000 hands are 10NL and the last 6,000 are 25NL. I usually play 6 to 8 tables at a time. Any thoughts?

http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?im...handsgraph.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?im...handsstats.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?ima...dsposition.jpg
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04-13-2009 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadStraddle
I only have 16000 hands but my stats seem spot on to the ones in the OP. I was just wondering if my VPIP and PFR suggest that I'm too nitty? The first 10,000 hands are 10NL and the last 6,000 are 25NL. I usually play 6 to 8 tables at a time. Any thoughts?

http://img23.imageshack.us/my.php?im...handsgraph.jpg
http://img27.imageshack.us/my.php?im...handsstats.jpg
http://img4.imageshack.us/my.php?ima...dsposition.jpg
Loosen up, pal! Playing 9/6 works, but it's far from optimal. Start playing more trash from the button, just to steal blinds. Your blind steal is right now 15%. That's way too low. I like a blind steal of around 40%. Otherwise, seems ~good.
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04-13-2009 , 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by oliman
Hi, as you can see my last 20k hands have not been great. (some of that was taking a shot at nl50) but I can't help but notice the graph stops going up when my red line starts going down, do you think this may be why? This happened when I eased off the aggression cause it was too high and I've been working on playing the player a lot more and not just aggro aggro aggro. I defiantly feel like I'm playing better poker but wondered if maybe I need to get my red line back up? If so how?

Thanks in advance for any comments etc

Rather then treat your aggression as something that is either up or down, think of it has something that is more situational. If you feel you can pick up this pot with some aggression do so, if your up against a calling station don't double barrel etc.

Keep up your blind stealing and make sure you have not reduced yourself to c-betting on the boards you it, remember villains miss boards too recognize this and bet when you think they have missed.
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04-13-2009 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyStraights
off the top of my head, you could probably get to showdown a little more, though that might be hard 24 tabling, I rarley play more then 4 tables, and you could certainly blind steal more, though again this may be harder for a mass tabler, otherwise they seem okay.

I find it eassier to visualize someones game from a showdown / non showdown graph.
I will post my graph, the thing is it's still very swingy, i'm waiting for a couple of more hands, like 20k-30k, and then i'll probably post.

But anyway, my redline so far is breakeven
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04-13-2009 , 06:29 PM







I'm break-even at 0.04. Must have a hundred leaks.

If someone has limped i call suited connectors, AXs and JTs+ from late position.
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04-13-2009 , 07:56 PM
Your stats look reasonable to me, though I am v.new to stats analysis still. The only thing that stands out really is that you are rather passive in LP, as you said you like to call with some implied odds hands, which isn't terrible but I would look for spots to isolate frequent limpers, especially on the BUT, that may help.

EDIT: Your graph is loving the swings, any ideas why your so swingy?
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04-13-2009 , 08:52 PM
You double barrel quite often. Maybe slow down a bit on turn cbets with air. That could be causing your swongs. Also complete from the SB a bit less?
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