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03-08-2009 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by damienthierry
Thanks for your answer.

I understand that 10k hands are nothing. I'll re-post when I'll hit 30k hands :-)
Yes, and read/do this:

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Third: U are leaking significantly in the BB and with your position play (could be 'cause of the sample size (u dont know why, read 1. and second )

Read the first post and the last 5-10 Pages within this thread and u will get the answers of your questions:

1. How can i improve in the blinds
2. How to play from the different positions

You dont need someone in here to tell you how to play, just do what wrote above and you'll be fine, till you hit the min. sample size of 25k-30k hands
Bye
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03-08-2009 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by damienthierry
Hi,

I know that 10k hands aren't that much but I would appreciate some comments about my stats before moving up.

It seems that my 3bet success is a bit low (52.3%) and that I'm too weak post flop (red line)









Thanks a lot in advance !
Breather is right that your red line is mainly a function of your BB leak. He's also right about 10k hands being too few for me to want to start messing with the way you play the big blind. but read post 489, which is also reproduced on this page, and, if that doesn't sound like the way you play your BB, start doing some of the stuff in there.

Other than that, your position win rates look ok; you are a bit low in the cut off and button, but that may just be variance. If they don't start up, then you are probably stealing lighter than your hand reading skills can support and you will have to improve your hand reading before you can increase those win rates.
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03-08-2009 , 04:23 PM
Thanks for your answer.

About post #489.

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- In the big blind, when there is only a LP limper, raise a lot of hands.
What does "a lot of hands" means exactly please ? I find it hard to know what players limps. (Except for the ones on wish I have a descent number of hands.)

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- In the big blind, when the action is only the small blind completing, raise almost any two cards (but be careful and respect 3 bets, because people often limp big hands here).
My PFR at BB is 7.9 but it's certainly way higher if you only count for hands when the SB open limp. Is there any way to know what is my % (when the BB open limp) with HEM ? In your opinion, what would be a descent % please ?
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03-08-2009 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by damienthierry
Thanks for your answer.

About post #489.


What does "a lot of hands" means exactly please ? I find it hard to know what players limps. (Except for the ones on wish I have a descent number of hands.)


My PFR at BB is 7.9 but it's certainly way higher if you only count for hands when the SB open limp. Is there any way to know what is my % (when the BB open limp) with HEM ? In your opinion, what would be a descent % please ?
The thinking behind raising a lot of hands is basically that the limpers are announcing they have a crappy hand, not much better than a random hand, so if there is one limper and the SB completes, it is not unreasonable to think that any top 1/3 hand is the favorite. But, in reality, people are not limping purely random hands, they are limping hands such as ragged aces, suited and offsuit, they are limping small pockets they don't have the stones to raise, and they are limping suited and off suit connectors, and they are limping suited hands with a high card--Q4s, K5s, etc. So you should be raising hands that match up well against these ranges--you should at least consider raising A8 and A9, you should raise AT+, you should be raising hands that will dominate their limping range, such as KT and KJ, and QT and QJ. I often, but not always, raise my middle suited connectors in this spot, 98s, T9s and the like, figuring that against most of a limper's range on most flops I don't need to make a hand to get 22-55 or Ax to fold to a c-bet.

A lot of this depends on the limper's range, though, so you have to pay attention to his stats. nitty players are, in general, easier to play against, in my opinion. So if a 10/4/1 limps in LP, I'll raise him and bet most flops, expecting him to fold if he doesn't make his set. But basically I think of myself as bluffing a 10/4 when I raise and then c-bet, say, AT unimproved, but I usually assume I am value betting it against a 42/9.

"A lot" is pretty much the best I can do as guidance for a %--mine is 30% but it is going to vary based on, among other things, your stakes and your table selecting criteria.

When the small blind open limps, a decent % to be raising would be somewhere between 40 and 100% Think of it this way: people open limp all sorts of trash in the small blind--J7o, 95s, etc. Their hand is almost completely random. So, given that everybody else folded (weighting their hands toward the trash hands of opening hands), any top 40% hand or so is going to be a favorite, and a raise is actually a value raise. But you also have a positional advantage, which justifies raising lighter; so if you add even only 15% steals to your 40% value raising range, you are raising 55% of the time.

I don't recommend jumping right from whatever your pfr% is now to 55% or more. Ease into it. Start raising lighter, see how it goes. If it is gong well, add more hands. If that goes well, keep adding lighter and lighter hands.

Your actual pfr against open limpers in the small blind is easy to find. Click on filters/edit. In the main filters page that appears, select your position as BB (this is actually unnecessary). Uncheck all the "preflop actions facing player" other than "one limper." Then, in the category below, "position of 1st limper," click the check box for the small blind. This will bring up a report of your stats in hands where the sb open limped. Your VPIP and PFR will be the same, obviously.
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03-08-2009 , 06:06 PM
Thanks a million for your help !

One more thing. (I hope that I don't bother you too much.)



I think that I did as you told me but it don't find any hand. Nevertheless If I select "button" instead of "small blind" (for example) it find some hands..

Any idea please ?
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03-08-2009 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by damienthierry
Thanks a million for your help !

One more thing. (I hope that I don't bother you too much.)



I think that I did as you told me but it don't find any hand. Nevertheless If I select "button" instead of "small blind" (for example) it find some hands..

Any idea please ?
yeah, it looks fine to me, but I have no idea why it is not returning hands. This filter as I described it works fine for me. I have been encountering some weird buggy occurrences the more I use HEM. The only thing that ever seems to work is to turn it off and restart it--this fixes about 30% of the weird things that happen.

Otherwise, I have no idea.
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03-08-2009 , 07:06 PM
It worked after a reboot of my computer

The sample is ridiculously low..




Thanks a lot anyway.

I'm gonna try what you told me. It will for sure improve my winnings :-D
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03-09-2009 , 10:52 AM
my 3-bet percentage pre flop is significantly higher than standard. Actually it's at 15%! This is because i make a lot of resteals from the blinds, and also when CO opens I often 3-bet him. What's the optimal 3-bet percentage? Is there any way to check how succesful i was when i 3-bet with trash from button/blinds. Btw, i play nl10.
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03-09-2009 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
my 3-bet percentage pre flop is significantly higher than standard. Actually it's at 15%! This is because i make a lot of resteals from the blinds, and also when CO opens I often 3-bet him. What's the optimal 3-bet percentage? Is there any way to check how succesful i was when i 3-bet with trash from button/blinds. Btw, i play nl10.
There are no "optimal" stats. Make the best play you can every time and you will wind up with "good" stats, which is to say, stats that accompany (and explain) a positive win rate.

To check whether you are profitable with the trash, just go into the main filter, click on hole cards and deselect the hands you consider good hands. Then filter for did 3 bet = true. Do this from the position page so you can look at your success by position.
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03-09-2009 , 11:48 AM
mpethy, would you mind if I PMed you my graph and stats to look at instead of posting in here?
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03-09-2009 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ashiXIII
mpethy, would you mind if I PMed you my graph and stats to look at instead of posting in here?
I'm sure he would do that, but guys again. Pay the 40 bucks to get up to 4 or 5 hrs inividual stat analyses + a sweat sesh w/ SplitSuit

Here's the link for their service (ridicoulus cheap):

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...alysis-374922/

I found it more than helpfull

Cheers
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03-09-2009 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
There are no "optimal" stats. Make the best play you can every time and you will wind up with "good" stats, which is to say, stats that accompany (and explain) a positive win rate.

To check whether you are profitable with the trash, just go into the main filter, click on hole cards and deselect the hands you consider good hands. Then filter for did 3 bet = true. Do this from the position page so you can look at your success by position.
Okey I checked it. I make 200 ptbb/100 when i 3-bet with trash lol. Probably just running hot, since it's not over a big sample, but still. Thanks for your reply.
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03-09-2009 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Jamos
OK here are some more stats. I couldn't figure out how to show showdown winnings with and without blinds though...


I think one of your leaks is that you are stacking off light.
All-in EV% show you at 48%. So each time that you went all-in you were 48% sure to win.

This % should be way more higher considering that at the micros you make money @ showdown. So when you push all-in, you should have a more solid hand.
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03-09-2009 , 07:45 PM
How much rake (in ptbb) do u play at Nl100 at stars?
If anyone got a database of 6maxNL100 stars then please post it =)

I calculatet 4,04ptbb on NL50 6max after 25k hands, but this might be caused by my ultra-agressive style
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03-10-2009 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ashiXIII
mpethy, would you mind if I PMed you my graph and stats to look at instead of posting in here?
shoot them my way whenever you have a chance.

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Originally Posted by breather
I'm sure he would do that, but guys again. Pay the 40 bucks to get up to 4 or 5 hrs inividual stat analyses + a sweat sesh w/ SplitSuit

Here's the link for their service (ridicoulus cheap):

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/10...alysis-374922/

I found it more than helpfull

Cheers
LOL, thanks for all your kind words ITT, breather, but I feel I have to mention that I didn't ask for these testimonials!!!!

(Oh, and there have been price increases since I joined Stox, so I think the prices you are quoting are obsolete, anyway).
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03-10-2009 , 08:58 PM
Just a quick question,

when does TAG start to border on LAG? I am just wondering cause I am running at around 20/17.5/3.8

Most of the VPs I see here are more in the 13-17 range and I am significantly above that. I don't have the biggest sample size, just under 6k hands, but I would assume this would be roughly sufficient for these basic stats. I am also not extremely worried as I am doing well at the 25NL with just under 10BB/100, but am wondering if this will turn into a big leak if/when I move up.

Thanks for any answers I get.
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03-10-2009 , 10:05 PM
Crimson, everyone has a different perception of what LAG (or TAG/nit) means. It's just a name anyways and doesn't really matter. If you took a cross section of winning players you would see lots of different styles.

That being said, at 2+2 the standard would be something like 13-16 VPIP and 10-15 PFR. By those standards you would be entering 'LAGland'. The numbers by themselves won't be a leak as you move up. Playing looser will put more emphasis on your postflop play so if you don't play well postflop you will be more exposed as you move up the ladder.
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03-10-2009 , 10:07 PM
Hey all, I'm a semi reg at PS, 25NL/50NL, just started to multitable 4 up to 8 progressively since January. I only recently began to analyse my game, and am still very new to HEM. Last night I did my first real analysis as the past week or so has been brutal, and I wanted to check that my game hasn't completely gone to heck.
Most of my major losses lately have actually been coolers or bad beats, but this isn't the forum for that. The sample size is my first 50k hands at the levels, before this year I have been donking around anywhere between 10 and 200NL with zero BRM etc, and I am looking for feedback on my first 2 months as a "thinking" player. Anyway this isn't a well or anything so w/e!

The most glaring aspect of my play history is the insane amount of money I have bled from the blinds, the screen shots say it all, so I'm hoping for any opinions/thoughts you all have on my general play and ideas on plugging leaks from the blinds. I am clearly defending too often, completing from the SB WAY too often, and I'm losing out badly in 3b pots from the blinds. All/any thoughts welcome, if there are other more informative stats I should be posting please let me know. I am a micros donk looking for feedback, TIA!

Overall stats for 25/50NL:

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Stats without blinds:

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Stats from blinds:

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When facing 3b in blinds:

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When playing non top 10% hand from blinds (warning: may disturb some viewers):

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I didnt include the top ten percent as I am doing just fine with them from the blinds, and finally,

Overall positional stats....I can't believe my VPIP is so high from the small bllind:
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Somewhat Laggish I know, but I have been tightening up majorly the last 25k hands or so. Anyway thanks in advance again!
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03-10-2009 , 11:39 PM
please help me,i can't figure out what i did wrong on button.

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03-11-2009 , 12:01 AM
I think you mean blind...
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03-11-2009 , 02:17 PM
I scanned through the thread but I couldnt find it if it was there.
What screenies do I need to post from HEM to get a Analysis please? Thanks in advance.
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03-11-2009 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by stry67
I scanned through the thread but I couldnt find it if it was there.
What screenies do I need to post from HEM to get a Analysis please? Thanks in advance.
A screenshot of a report that shows:

# of Hands VPIP PFR AF ATS C-Bet Cold Call bb/100 WTSD W$WSF W$SD

by position report that shows your by position WR VPIP PFR ATS CC

graph that shows showdown and non-showdown winnings and all in EV if you have HEM.
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03-11-2009 , 05:45 PM
Okkk here goes

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6784/stats1a.jpg
First part of over-all stats.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4313/stats1b.jpg
Second part of over-all stats.

http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9933/stats2y.jpg
Positional Stats.

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/1871/grapht.jpg
Graph.

Everyone take a shot, constructively of course, hehe. I know I have a ton of leaks. First one I saw was Im way too loose in blinds?
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03-11-2009 , 06:05 PM
Could I get a reality check? I've been break-even over the last 5K hands or so - some coolers in there that All in EV cannot account for (e.g. QQ v. KK flop KQ2). On the other hand I'm still at 14bb/100 Any help would be appreciated...





Last edited by BigLawMonies; 03-11-2009 at 06:11 PM.
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03-11-2009 , 06:15 PM
Here are some refined stats and my garphs for the year, defintitely think I'm pushing people off their hands too quickly, my W$WSF is very high(?), and my small blind play is getting me in a lot of marginal spots where I am spewing and not playing draws aggressively. Or I may be completely wrong!

This years garph:

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EV included, ran a little hot for a while, it has levelled off to where I am insignificntly below EV, much of this in the past ten days, where I have had a run of coolers and bad beats, numerous flopped sets on mono board that I had to fold on turn or river facing serious aggression when the 4th flush card hits, same with straights-no doubt I have been bluffed on occasion, but the last 7-8k hands have just seen the 75/45 donks showing me the nuts so many times that fear may have crept into my game.

EV Garph:

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And a more detailed positional analysis:

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