Ya mine is very swingy, plus I had some leaks that I'm fixing, the next 75k hands will be epic tho, mark my words.

No they don't, what Mpethy was trying to say was that if you filter out the blinds and the red line is still negative then you leak post flop, probably playing to weak tight. If it's going up after you have filtered out the blinds then you have a problem in the blinds and should read post #489 ITT for starters.

Thanks very much for this.

Everyone who has ever posted in this thread is ******ed

no sample under 200k is even remotely legitimate

link?

This is not true if you want to have a general advice of your game. If someone with 40/0/0 asks for help, 500 hands are enough to give him a hint that his aggression may be too low.

You are right if you want to know if 22 UTG is profitable if someone 3 bets you on the button. For such info you indeed need >50k hands.

no i mean wr, basic positional stats, and general confidence in game. I think 90% of these people should read the master sticky if they want to know if they should play 13/11 or not or buckle down and post a legitimate sample size of 100k at least. not some ****** ass bitches whining about if they are good or not because they ran at 7 ptbb100 over 12k or something, makes me godamned sick.

UPDATED:
HELP ME, my Non SD is getting raped wtf!?

Humor me and show me the math.

@Boxerz: For some reason I cannot quote you. Anyway, my 2 cents:

I guess you changed your style after your bad 6max experience. A falling Non-SD-curve is typical for a nitty TAG style. I guess at the beginning of the graph (prior your 6 max time) you played a LAG style.

The red line is NOT important, it is style-dependent. As long as you win a decent amount of money do not worry about graphs and stats!

What you can do is comparing your stats from hand 0 to 30,000 and from hand 38,000 onwards. Let me know if my assumption of your style-change is correct.

well what i believe it is was me switching up with SCs and PPs. I used to limp with PP and fold them but now I've been calling too many raises with them tried to hit sets and stack off and it did work for a bit but I got too wreckless with them. I did become a bit loose and started playing SCs and sometimes I would limp-call in position as long as there were 3-4 people in the pot. I bet PPs now but am still having trouble as to know where I am on the flop against villains sometimes so I am still having trouble. Lets say I have 44 UTG, I have tournament/SNG background and we usually only bet 99+ from that position because implied odds doesn't do us a whole lot because of the rising blinds vs stack sizes. I'm not too familiar what to do with PPs besides hitting sets.

I just picked up Small Stakes Hold Em from my library so I can learn cash style from it hopefully. Tournaments/STTs gave me decent hand ranges but left out a lot of PPs and SCs that I gotta adjust to.

@boxers, ur rite PPs lower than 9s are meant only for set value. (TT and JJ being a gray area). Make sure you are getting the right setmining prices. Dunt call raises from stacks with less than 80 BBs, and against stacks with 80+ BBs, only call at most 4 BBs preflop. Also after flopping ensure the hand is played very agressively to clean out 80+ BBs stacks that have an overpair or TP. thats my 2 cents.

XXX

I use a mac HUD and does not have exactly what I was told to post
So I will post what I feel is close to what I was told and I will post the link to my photobucket that has more charts
http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o...oker%20Charts/
Thanks for any and all help
when flamming please try not to be too big of a dick , if I was good I wouldn't be posting charts asking for he

Am i really that bad in laying down when i'm beat..ok had about 6 time KK vs. AA pf this month(ok about 85 % i knew i was playing against..but couldn't fold..).

or do i just run little bad with my big pairs/hands..hm

Will post my full stats at the End of the Month..should be about 80 K(NL50, little bit NL25) Hands from first 2 Month in 2009

i know ur problem
ur limping

um, no

Ok no math necessary

step 1.
Play 100k

step 2.
Run pokerev

step 3.
realize that your wr can vary DRASTICALLY from 100k to 100k, and that the deviation you experience is probably in the more normal range. Just imagine how different it can be for those in the more bizarre ends of the spectrum

step 4.
realize that a 10-20k sample is a drop in the ocean. There are most certainly accounts of winning players with 50k breakeven stretches etc.

step5.
If your stats major ass still needs more ego masturbation read the SD thread in the master sticky and enjoy. Take note particularly of the graph generator.

I say this out of love, i've been there before asking regs what my 10k sample meant. The sad answer is that you need to dedicate alot of time before you understand how good of a poker player you are. The other sad answer is that the input you are getting from alot of people on this forum is plain wrong.

As a rule, if someone is telling you important information about your play style, wr, W%@SD etc. after 10k hands, they are probably donks themselves, and incorporating advice prematurely can damage your game, as well as have you thinking too short term.

Learning that 2+2 has ALOT of stupid posters is vital to getting what can be gotten out of this forum.

I mean it. Dont even listen to me if you don't feel what I am saying is rationally founded.

If you can't think rationally and for yourself, don't play poker.

I truly believe that VPIP PFR, CB, 3B, F3B and a few others are the only stats that begin to converge over the sample sizes that are posted throughout this thread.

Ive seen like a few 50k+ samples and I read this thread for a while before condemning it as premature ramblings.

That's wr, and that's called an empirical proof. You might be right, but I want the mathematical proof.

Care to comment on how fast VPIP converges? How about 3b%?

I'm not a stats major, and I don't masturbate any more. My sexual life is just fine, thanks for asking. How's yours?

FWIW, I'm interested in this topic because I have found no theoretical grounds to justify the claim that all stats need lots and lots of hands to converge. I've only played poker for 6 months and right now, I am losing a tiny bit of money (not mine, in case you'd be so kind to ask). So it's just an intellectual interest, if you will.

And this from your experience I reckon? Great. Thanks.
But I still want to find the math behind it. And maybe both experience and thoery will... converge.

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thanks jedi and i guess aceshigh for the long and brief insight. yes i stopped completing from the SB and I don't limp with Ax suited from the BB. I used to try to play SCs in a multiway limped pot and implied odds are ok if there are 3-4 and deepstacked but I haven't learned to play it correctly so I will stay out of that. My non SD has stopped dropping and is now slightly going down barely to breakeven while my Showdowns have keep going up. I'm up again so I thank you guys.

The thing is, people play SCs a lot and I see them profit well but I haven't learned how to do it the correct way. I guess it is one of those things that you see some donk limp-call in with 78s and take down a 3 way all in that kind of messes with your head. I assume that lucky donk just got lucky and hit it big. I know there are people who play SCs perfectly, it's just hard to tell the donks from the sharks when it happens.

I changed my play lately and those r the stats of my last 40'000 hands.
I feel not satisfied with my PTBB/100 Rate yet.
So where do I leak the most?








Should won money without showdown be positive or is break-even ok?

thanks.

a break even red line is fine.

You dont win enough money at showdown.

1) Try getting some of your hands paid off more
2) Your nsd will decrease a little
3) you sd will increase more than your nsd decreased
4) profit!

Hello

im not happy with my non-showdown line..
Can you guys spot some leaks in my stats ?
If you need some more information im happy to post it.

Don't worry about a declining red line. You are pretty tight-nitty, a declining red line is normal. However, what I can see out of your stats is that you lose too much in the blinds. Else play less hands, or play them more aggressive. You should alos lower your WTSD a bit.
Another recommendation: Look at your red line WITHOUT the blinds.

Hi,

Thanx for the advice, i should work on my blinds play.


This is my graph without the SB and BB






And in te blinds..