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Old 03-21-2008, 06:02 PM   #51
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

Great post! Thanks for putting this together.

For the excersize, all the things I came up with have been mentioned already, except for one - "Folded BB to steal" at 81%. Does anyone think that is too low? Should the percentage of time we play BB against a steal be higher than our VP$IP?
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:08 PM   #52
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What are considered to be solid vpip/raise % stats in micro-full ring games

anyone let me know?
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:17 PM   #53
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:22 PM   #54
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^ a simply answer would have done just fine.
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:28 PM   #55
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Re: What are considered to be solid vpip/raise % stats in micro-full ring games

VPIP <22
PFR > 50% of VPIP
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:36 PM   #56
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Re: What are considered to be solid vpip/raise % stats in micro-full ring games

There are solid players between 12/10 and even lower and as high as 18/14 maybe higher. Solid is what produces the best win rate for you. It should be erring on the higher side as you will be isolation raising weak limpers a ton with marginal hands if you are table selecting well.
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Old 03-21-2008, 08:38 PM   #57
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Re: What are considered to be solid vpip/raise % stats in micro-full ring games

All the stats there is.



But seriously.....aiming for a certain ratio or certain number is backwards thinking. Play a way that comes natural to you, play that way over a good number of hands, and evaluate: Are you:
1) Winning over 10k+ hands? (minimum, preferably 20k)
2) Losing money with certain hands?
3) Losing money from certain positions?

Then go back to those unprofitable situations and figure out why you're losing money.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:04 PM   #58
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Re: What are considered to be solid vpip/raise % stats in micro-full ring games

i play NL 50 at 13.5/11 and im a 6 BB winner.

so thats something to aim for.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:07 PM   #59
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Re: What are considered to be solid vpip/raise % stats in micro-full ring games

This was posted a couple of days ago. It should help.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=158015

People ask this question all of the time and there is no actual answer. Concentrate on learning how to play rather than specific numbers.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:18 PM   #60
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Re: What are considered to be solid vpip/raise % stats in micro-full ring games

The stat sticky at the top of this forum is a must read.
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Old 03-21-2008, 10:18 PM   #61
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Re: What are considered to be solid vpip/raise % stats in micro-full ring games

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Concentrate on learning how to play rather than specific numbers.
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Learn to play. Do what feels right. When you are playing good poker your stats will come into line.
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Old 03-23-2008, 01:34 PM   #62
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

Wasn't sure how to take a picture of my stats in pt, but id appreciate some feedback on my stats. I know its hard to pinpoint precisely what to improve on, but id like any observations or initial impressions as ive never had anyone look at my stats. Again sorry for the format, if anyone can tell me how to change it i will.

game_level total_hands vol_saw_flop saw_flop_sb

NL ($0.25) 15000 12.3733 15.1694


co_folded_sb co_folded_bb att_steal co_pct_wsf co_total_won

87.5000 86.1538 19.9063 30.0324 407.6500


co_big_bets_won sd_pct co_sd_win pf_raise

5.4353 22.5821 60.8607 5.7533

co_pfaf co_flopaf co_turnaf co_riveraf co_totaf

0.77 1.25 1.31 1.48 0.94
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Old 03-25-2008, 02:58 PM   #63
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Help with my stats at 25NL

I cant for the life of me get of the hump of beating 25NL so maybe some folks can give me some insight on where I can adjust


Pt general info:
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/8495/29185681se0.png

position stats:
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/8673/36549492xf2.png

misc. stats:
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9812/99713818rs7.png

I guess a more detailed stats list
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/794/59334568ea5.png
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/884/59847289gw5.png

my graph: obviously I tilted pretty bad there and stacked off a lot with AA/KK overpairs or tptk which i do a lot regardless of tilt to lags
http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7200/40924527nv7.png
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:00 PM   #64
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Re: Help with my stats at 25NL

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=158015
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:34 PM   #65
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Re: Help with my stats at 25NL

General pointers:
-You limp EP too much
-You complete too often from SB

Also, your sample size is not really good for evaluation.
You could be a long term winner with a bad run and you would not notice it here.
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Old 03-25-2008, 04:31 PM   #66
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Re: Help with my stats at 25NL

Something else... your general stats are near mine. I play 16/11/4 and win 8.17 bb/100 over 27k hands.

You didn't show your aggression factor but it looks like you're not raising nearly enough and limping far too often. If you're going to play a 16% vpip game you need to have your raising numbers up there. Raise more from position limp less OOP.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:07 PM   #67
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Hi all, I would really like to get some feedback and what you think is costing me money and barely breaking even.
This is full ring .10/.25 no limit holdem, pt has me as a TAG player. I play aggresive mostly but still can't find out why I break even, maybe I am to agg?




thanks

p.s this the right thread to post these stats right?
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:37 PM   #68
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

Prelfop you can be more aggressive around the button. Don't limp or cold call so much preflop unless you have a reason to. Raise and take the initiative. Steal more.

Your post flop aggression makes you look a bit spewy after teh flop. Your agg should get lower by street. While I think 5 is ok for flop on the turn it should take a step down.

Yes, this is the right thread.
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Old 03-26-2008, 03:40 PM   #69
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

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Hi all, I would really like to get some feedback and what you think is costing me money and barely breaking even.
This is full ring .10/.25 no limit holdem, pt has me as a TAG player. I play aggresive mostly but still can't find out why I break even, maybe I am to agg?




thanks

p.s this the right thread to post these stats right?
your turn, and especially your river aggression factors appear very high to me. Your VPIP is similar to mine, although your PFR is quite a bit lower. Seems like you would want to focus more on PFR and flop aggression than the turn and river, where I'd guess you are over-valuing your hands. I think your went to showdown supports this.
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Old 03-26-2008, 04:16 PM   #70
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Prelfop you can be more aggressive around the button. Don't limp or cold call so much preflop unless you have a reason to. Raise and take the initiative. Steal more.

Your post flop aggression makes you look a bit spewy after teh flop. Your agg should get lower by street. While I think 5 is ok for flop on the turn it should take a step down.

Yes, this is the right thread.
what do you mean by spewy?

why should agg get lower by street?

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Old 03-26-2008, 04:26 PM   #71
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your turn, and especially your river aggression factors appear very high to me. Your VPIP is similar to mine, although your PFR is quite a bit lower. Seems like you would want to focus more on PFR and flop aggression than the turn and river, where I'd guess you are over-valuing your hands. I think your went to showdown supports this.
I should be raising more PFR, maybe get my PFR at around 8-10%? half my vpip

I should continuation bet much more than, and be more agg on flop?

also what do you mean overvaluing my hands?

I hardly call at all, my call% is 3.44% "first action on flop after preflopraise".

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Old 03-26-2008, 04:29 PM   #72
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

How do you guys like my blind stealing % and W$WSF%?

Also I would like to know how can I check on my double barrel stats or are they in the pic and are they average/solid?

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Old 03-26-2008, 04:44 PM   #73
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

Blind stealing is alright, but higher could be better.

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what do you mean by spewy?
Spewy generally means putting money out there when you shouldn't: "Spewing" money.

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why should agg get lower by street?
Agg should get lower by street because when you raise PF, you should generally be betting the flop (CBing). When you miss a flop, you should be CBing with air, but NOT 2barrelling with air. So when you miss flop/turn after you PFR with something like AK, most of the time you should be letting it go on the turn. Your numbers seem to suggest that you 2barrel and 3barrel regularly, which tend to be less profitable. Players can more easily exploit you by slowplaying because you don't give up UI.

That said, too much aggression is generally better than too little, because so many people err on the side of caution.
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:03 PM   #74
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what do you mean by spewy?

why should agg get lower by street?

thanks
Maybe spewy is wrong. It could mean your playing fit or fold. This could mean you fold sometimes when you should be calling down. The high postflop ag factor combined with a lower went to showdown% (looks like about 17%, can't read it too well) I think indicates this more than it indicates you being spewy.

Steal more. My steal% is about 27 and I'm weak tight.

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Old 03-26-2008, 06:26 PM   #75
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Hi all, I would really like to get some feedback and what you think is costing me money and barely breaking even.
This is full ring .10/.25 no limit holdem, pt has me as a TAG player. I play aggresive mostly but still can't find out why I break even, maybe I am to agg?




thanks

p.s this the right thread to post these stats right?
I think you complete way too many SBs . . . tighten up a bit here.

From just this, you are limping into the pot too often with strong hands and you're letting yourself get pushed off when one of the other limpers hits. Some more PF aggression is going to solve a lot of problems here.
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