Lol, not sure if I'm insulted or not. J/k I know we play at the same tables so it can be a conflict for you telling me how to play better. I appreciate the need for separation.

"running hot" ?? Sorry my lingo isn't back up to speed yet. Thanks for the quick tips though.

I've really buckled down, re-read all my bookmarked threads on here and I'm just doing 3 tables right now. Taking more time on my decisions, fold alot more EP unless it's PP or AQ-AK etc. I've also started dumping alot more SB cause I saw there was a ton of $$ lost out of there, I think...well I know I was just calling the xtra $$ cause it was cheap and everyone else limped too, then finding myself trying to either buy pots or putting myself in a bad position (being that it is the worst position anyways).

A few less suckouts lately, but I've been getting my $$ in with the best of it as usual and taking the 5% suckout hits in stride. There's nothing like playing "good" and getting your $$ in with the best hand then getting slammed by a 5% hit, just debilitating. Been stealing alot more now too. Just get's tricky on CBets though when the donks insta call everything, gotta work on my slowdown or keep firing.

Most of this looks OK to me, you are table selecting well so that's very important.

WTSD maybe a little high, might be
- not barreling enough
- not vbetting thin enough
- too much calling
though its hard to say without looking at your play.

If you were looking for areas to improve then look for learning material on
- upping your steals from LP
- 3betting and defending 3bets

As a reg at these limits (although I dont know your SN just on these stats) Id be 3-betting the life out of you and stealing your blinds like no tomorrow. Figure out how to stop me. (but dont get too hung up on it, worry more about stacking fish).

These are my 10k hands of NL25. Do you see any leaks?
I would like to move up to NL50 asap. Any concerns about that (bankroll no issue)?

Thanks in advance and I would like to say that mpethybridge has improved my play so much due to his postings (your replies in #555 of this thread about my NL10 play):
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...5/index37.html

Regards, Digga

P.S. I forgot to include my 'First action after a PF raise:'
Raise: 4.9%, Bet: 60.4%, Call: 3.6%, Check: 23.7%, C/R: 0%, Fold: 7.6%, No Flop: 63.9%

I think you are ready for $50, but i do have two concerns about you stats:

1. Blind play. You are doing ok at $25, but the risk here is that the somewhat more aggressive and skilled play at $50 will cost you a bit more out of the blinds and turn this into a leak. Just keep a careful eye on it at $50 and pm me if your loss rate goes up AT ALL.

2. Your button win rate is still too low. We really should figure this out. This is supposed to be your most profitable position.

Move up, play a few thousand hands, and pm me and let's see what we can do about these two things.

Thanks for your kind offer.

2.) "Button win rate is too low" may be do the fact that I still play too many hands from the button and overplay my positional advantage. I can work on that ;-)

But may I ask about 1.) Blinds play. " You are doing ok". My winrate (or better loss rate) is okay for the blinds, isn't it? My VPIP also looks fine. Where is the leak?

Any help is appreciated,

Regards, Digga

Thanks, I agree. I will let people 3 bet me a little until I see them do it often enough, then I will start defending lighter (4 betting, flatting and check raising). My LP play is probably what I am focusing on the most right now, learning when to cbet after a steal and such, who I can steal against and what hands I should be stealing with against stations.

I have started to 3 bet a tad lighter now too, I recently added positional stats to PT3 so I know who is raising PF in EP lighter, but admittedly I am still learning how to decipher the numbers right now, but I should have a grasp on it soon.

What is a good WTSD range? I too agree it is high.

As always my own worst enemy is myself, I am bluff shoving to often, not that you can never do it, but I am doing it more often then I should.

please note that i cared enough to send the very best.

thanks SS!

Yeah, a little work away from the tables plus some trial and error (dont worry if it costs a few bb at first) should have you owning dudes.

Its hard to say about WTSD, if you have a very trappy style or a tight VPIP then I guess high 20's is OK. I dunno, I think mid 20's is standard?
Stats only really give the first clue in the investigation process, you might investigate and then find that due to the situations your style gets your self in that a high 20's WTSD is fine. Conversely you may find a huge leak.

Bluff shoving and semi-bluff shoving are also highly situational, the fact that you even have it in your game probably sets you a notch above the average 100NL grinder.

agree that mid 20's is standard. High 20's coupled with a low turn (<2.0) and/or river (<1.5) aggression factor might concern me. High twenties when I was losing money where my action on the river was a call might concern me (because it would potentially indicate a station tendency rather than a tendency to check/call to allow bluffs).

Huh. My ATS% the past 3500 hands is 51%. A little high, do we think?

Hi everyone.

I'm posting here bc need some serious advice. I used to beat NL50 6-max and now I'm moving to full ring (dunno why, maybe coz I wanna some challenge, whatever).

I won around 10bi last month (played only 11k hands) and this month I'm getting some troubles about stacking off light, over-valueing hands, struggling to make laydows etc (again, I used to play a lot of 6-max).

So, I'm posting my graphics just to you guys help me. Any thoughts about my game it would be really nice. Thank you very much!


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meh, i suck posting my graphics/stats

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sorry about this

Hi, is it normal that my graph as such huge up and downs ?! I'm playing 2NL. If you need more info to answer me just ask and I'll reply. Thanks

Hey mpethybridge,

thanks for this thread. Did my first pokey analysis, any comments are welcome. Also, any postflop hints are appreciated.

If anyone uses the information to exploit me at the tables, more power to them.



Around Hand 34k I started 4-tabling NL25 and taking NL50 shots...



Pokey No 1 Nov 6 2008

Hands covered:

2NL 1078
10NL 2409
25PL 3371
25NL 28500
50PL 139
50NL 780
100NL 16



1. Do you have sufficient preflop aggression?

quotient (pfr/vpip):
OTB 0.57
1 0.67
2 0.65
3 0.65
4 0.66
5 0.69
6 0.73
BB 0.34
SB 0.25

Aggression looks ok, except for BB, but could be higher all around. In BB should probably fold/3-bet more. Button aggression is relatively low, probably due to limping behind. Investigate further.

2. Are you positionally aware?

Yes. VPIP increases steadily from 11% UTG to 20% OTB.

3. How's my stealing?

ATS is 30.53%. Win rate in stolen hands is 30ptbb/100. Looks ok, could steal more.

4. Defending the blinds.

When VP$IP from the blinds I make 22ptbb/100 from the BB and 26ptbb/100 from the SB. These look high. Mistake in the calculation, or should I defend more? When facing steals and I 3-bet I win quite a bit (2.45ptbb/hand in BB, 1.55 in SB).When calling a steal I win 0.08 from the BB, but lose 1.66 from the SB !? Funnily when filtering "called a steal" I get a PFR of 5% instead of the expected 0%. -> Call less from SB

5. Heads-up play

In heads-up play, the overall result is 6ptbb/100. I'm losing some money in the blinds, but much less than by just folding them. I also lose UTG and CO; the latter (1ptbb/100) is due to posting out of turn. -> Wait for BB to come around.
When I don't raise pf I'm losing 7ptbb/100, mostly from the BB and MP. Why would I be in such a pot in MP?? This looks like a serious leak, unless its a statistical anomaly... Maybe stop limp-calling

6. Multiway pots

Overall 2ptbb/100. From the BB I lose 103ptbb/100 when I call a raise here, so this looks like a leak. Slight losses in MP; might be noise. When not raising pf I lose 1ptbb/100. Most of it is lost in the BB, although there's also a 8 ptbb loss from Bu-4. Sample size issues? There are 130 hands in this situation/position where I put money in; includes a 50BB loss with set under set.

7. Pocket pairs

VPIP is 85%; pfr is 52%. Winnings are 107 ptbb/100; best are AA (492), worst are 44 (8).

8. Suited connectors

VPIP 66, PFR 28. Overall 18ptbb/100 (27 when flop seen). QJs is the biggest loser with -124; this included a couple of coolers. I cold-call these too much (36%), however it looks very profitable (2.14ptbb/hand) -> sample size too small ldo.

9. Unsuited connectors

VPIP 21, PFR 11. Overall -5ptbb/100. Cold-called much less (except for AKo). Losing with all of these except for AKo, T9o, 98o.

10. Postflop aggression

It's not really clear to me how to find the cbet frequency in PT3. If I divide the number of times I cbet by the number of times I raise pf I get 29% which looks really low. I was under the impression that I cbet almost always; this may have to do with the fact that some of the hands are old, or that at times I am reraised pf. When I cbet I make 1.87 BB/hand. Total aggression is 2.73; recently it is quite a bit higher, around 4.

11. Check-raising

Check-raised 2.2% of the times I saw the flop; this includes the times I saw the flop IP. Maybe a bit too much.

Conclusion:
- Increase preflop aggression
- Steal more, aim for 40%
- Call steals less from SB
- Stop open-limping
- Call less from the BB in multiway pots
- Stop cold-calling unsuited connectors

According to conventional wisdom, you defend way too much versus steal attempts. My understanding is ABC would suggest folding somewhere around 80-90% from the BB and perhaps 85 or more % from the SB.

I'd be interested what your strategy in defending is, seems to work quite well for you.

Hmm yeah, 46% is a lot... don't know for sure, but certainly any ace, any pair, any broadway... depends on the stealer I guess.

hey Mpethy thx for this thread, hopefully u can help me. ive been at 10nl for 30k hands and ive been breakeven for 20k of those hands. im going insane >.< plz help.

heres my complete graph from 2nl - 10nl


and then here is all my stats for just 10NL

Ok, last time I posted here mpethy basically told me to gtfo and move the post to BBV .

This time however, I'd really like some input... I feel like I'm playing well, but definitely missing out on a lot, and hoping someone can see something in the stats that leads to something.

This is since Sept. 1st (43 days of play I believe)

Overall Stats: (ignore the 6max and HU stuff... 100nl and 50nl are the levels w/ lots of big samples)




Position Stats:




Garph:

Not necessarily:

1. if your button win rate is lower than your hijack and cut off win rates it might be because of this.

2. Depends on your steal success, to a certain extent, and the amount you raise on steals.

That's pretty swongy, but I don't think I would be too bent out of shape, given that you are beating the game at a decent clip.

It looks to me like you have a serious leak in the blinds. Your 3 bet stats are high (not too high) but you are losing big--this suggests to me that maybe you have been running bad/playing bad in 3 bet pots and it is bumping up your loss rate.

Poke around in HEM and see what it tells you about the profitability of your 3 betting in the blinds.

The only other thing i saw that caused me a lot of concern was the losses in the co; this could be variance, but it needs looking into.

PM me if you want a full review.

cangurino:

you did a great job on your pokey analysis, but I disagree with some of your conclusions.

1. I agree that you should increase your post-flop aggression. However, the way you should do this is to cut way back on the cold-calling in middle position.

2. Steal more--yeah, it's always a good idea, but you are doing fine. Don't sweat this, it is not a leak.

3. call steals less. NONONONONONO. I don't care what conventional wisdom says, you are playing your small blind extraordinarily well. Don't change anything unless and until you notice that your SB loss rate starts to increase in a decent sample at NL $50.

4. Stop open limping. meh, this is not a big leak for you, but is probably a good idea.

5. stop cold calling multi-way in BB. No, but cut it back to reasonable hands, as you are leaking a tiny, tiny bit in the BB.

6. stop cold calling unsuited connectors. yeah, i agree with this, for the most part. But everything is situational. But cold-calling in particular seems to be your biggest leak.

Overall, you look really solid, but i would like to delve more into your cold calling and post flop play. pm me if you want a full review.

sabotawj:

Not to put too fine a point on it, but your winnings are disappearing into your blind play.

here's the thing--for most players, 11/8 is a low-profit style. It is a winning style if you do it right, but it is definitely low profit. To make a profit with this style, you can't leak from the blinds at all. Read and apply post 489 in this thread.

The other thing you need to do is to open up and play more hands in position. So steal a bunch more, treat the cut off and the hijack as stealing positions. isolate limpers with decent hands.

pm me if you want.

seriously, dude, your stats are ****ing gorgeous. I have three suggestions:

1. your win rate in the cut off is too low. I'm not really sure what is going on here. win rate problems are usually post-flop, so they are really hard to pin down from a stats review. It could be that you are c-betting too much, or not enough. It could be that you are not trying to steal pots with PPs and SCs enough when the flop looks to have missed the preflop raiser. The only way to figure it out with confidence is to play around in the filters.

2. You are not loose enough in late position. as good as you are, you ought to be looking to get into pots and outplay people. get your cut off vpip/pfr up to almost exactly what your button stats are, and get your hijack stats up to what your cut off stats are.

3. coach me.