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09-07-2008 , 04:43 PM
Hey guys, fire away and thanks in advance.

My cbet is kind of high right? I'm working on my cbetting recently.



Around hand 12,000 is when I had an Aha! moment and really got my game together. What do you guys make of the lack of smoothness on this graph though. Am I closer to a break even player? Especially at 10NL.



Question about SD vs. Non-SD winnings. I don't understand this whole Sklansky buck thing, but when I filter out my blinds the graph looks like this. How do you guys interpret what's happening at around 22k hands? SD takes a nosedive, but non-SD stays pretty constant. Is this pretty much mean I've been running bad for these few hands?



Thanks.
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09-07-2008 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ForGlory
How do you guys interpret what's happening at around 22k hands? SD takes a nosedive, but non-SD stays pretty constant. Is this pretty much mean I've been running bad for these few hands?
Yes. 2.5k hands is a tiny sample, and variance has a huge effect over such a sample size.
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09-09-2008 , 01:32 PM
No graph/stats except that I really don't like my agression factor. I try so hard and I am barely at like 1.92 or something.

To the people who play me alot what am I doing that makes me so passive?

I feel like i must be calling down way too much instead of raising it up.

If you have my huge leak please pm me instead =P
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09-09-2008 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ForGlory
Hey guys, fire away and thanks in advance.

My cbet is kind of high right? I'm working on my cbetting recently.



Around hand 12,000 is when I had an Aha! moment and really got my game together. What do you guys make of the lack of smoothness on this graph though. Am I closer to a break even player? Especially at 10NL.



Question about SD vs. Non-SD winnings. I don't understand this whole Sklansky buck thing, but when I filter out my blinds the graph looks like this. How do you guys interpret what's happening at around 22k hands? SD takes a nosedive, but non-SD stays pretty constant. Is this pretty much mean I've been running bad for these few hands?



Thanks.
Looking at your W$WSF of 45% is a very good indicator that you are just in a nice heater as you probably know we hit the flop only about 1/3 which is 33%. So be prepared for some downswings soon. Nevertheless, at 10NL and 25NL most people will not adapt to your aggresive style which is also represented by the Non-SD winning graph and I guess you shoudn't slow down. More about Non-SD - you should be happy that it is even positive. So far I think I have seen only heads up players that have a positive non-SD money won over a large sample, which shows that you force a lot of people to fold on flop hence your high W$WSF. For example, I had mine around 0 for 12k hands but now in the last 11k I am like -9 BI non-SD winnings and my AF is 3.1, c-bet is 77%, WTSD - 26% and W%WSF - 39%, which are close to yours however I am bit more nitty in the pre-flop hand selection so you are running sick hot. So the lack of smoothness in your graph is just due to your aggressive style. And why one graph is of 33k hands and the other of just 24k !? Can you share what was yours Aha moment?
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09-11-2008 , 03:05 PM


Stats: vpip: 13,8

pfr: 10,6
wtsd: 22,8%
3bet: 2,8%
fold-to-3bet: 63,2%
AG: 4,27
AG%: 32,8%
cbet: 67,6%
fold-to-cbet: 60,1%


If there are more relevant stats,, just give me a call and I will search for them in my HM database
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09-11-2008 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonnie1


Stats: vpip: 13,8

pfr: 10,6
wtsd: 22,8%
3bet: 2,8%
fold-to-3bet: 63,2%
AG: 4,27
AG%: 32,8%
cbet: 67,6%
fold-to-cbet: 60,1%


If there are more relevant stats,, just give me a call and I will search for them in my HM database
Your graph looks really solid.

If you want some serious analysis of your stats, post screenshots of your HEM "by stakes" report and "position report."

But I can already tell you the basic conclusion--you're doing fine, with no major leaks at your level. Keep doing what you are doing, and, if you like, post the screenshots and we will see if there are any small leaks you can tweak your game by plugging.
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09-11-2008 , 04:15 PM
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post screenshots of your HEM "by stakes" report and "position report."


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09-11-2008 , 04:56 PM
OH btw:

I 24-table
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09-11-2008 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Tonnie1


Yeah, it is pretty much what i thought--you are doing fine and do not have any major leaks.

I see 4 things, all of which are minor, and all of which are related:

1. Declining aggression by street--basically, this indicates that you are pot controlling a fair amount on the turn, and then not betting for value a lot of the time you are at the river.
2. Your W$SD is on the low end for a player who loses money in non-showdown pots. This isn't a big deal, but you are probably leaking by calling on the river because it is cheap to do so (because you took a pot control line on the turn). It is pretty easy to win with a W$SD % <50, but usually it is players playing looser and more aggressive than you. It is unusual to see a winning TAg below 50%
3. Your winrate in late positions is on the low end.
4. Your went to showdown figure is highest in late position.

If I had to guess, I would say that a lot of your leaking is on steals--you pot control and get it to showdown cheaply, and you lose a lot of them. This would explain items 3 and 4 above, especially when also considering items 1 and 2.

The fact that you are 24-tabling complicates the analysis, and truthfully, probably explains the low winrates.

My suggestions for bumping up your winrate a bit without cutting back tables:

1. filter to look at your steals only. Focus on analyzing the hands where you took a pot control line--c-bet flop, check behind turn, called river would be a good place to start. You are looking for hands where a value bet on the river could have been paid, or where your river call was too loose.

2. filter to look at the hands where there was no betting on the river--if the % of those hands you win is greater than the % of those you lose, then you are probably systematically costing yourself money by not making thin value bets. But you will only be able to tell by doing a hand by hand review.

These are all minor things. It seems to me that your winrate is really good for somebody playing 24 tables, and it seems to me that you could safely do nothing and keep winning at a solid rate.

Nice stats, good job.
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09-12-2008 , 02:43 PM
I just started playing cash games for the first time really in the beginning of August with the help of a friend. This was also my first dab into 6max. Playing at UB with PA HUD and PT2, I've logged 32k hands. I've lost 90% of my roll (although some PT2 reports otherwise because of some hands leaking). I had been up 270% through a couple weeks on .1/.25 hands, but something went wrong. Below are some screenshots of various stats:






I've watched a couple coaching videos with limited success. Obiously have some leaks. Does anyone notice anything bad here? Post flop play could be a lot better I think. I would appreciate any help. Pretty sure this can't just be variance. Though I did have 7 hands of AA earlier that netted a loss of 30 cents at .01/.02, which I've gone back down to in an effort to rebuild the bankroll.
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09-12-2008 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CobiG13
I just started playing cash games for the first time really in the beginning of August with the help of a friend. This was also my first dab into 6max. Playing at UB with PA HUD and PT2, I've logged 32k hands. I've lost 90% of my roll (although some PT2 reports otherwise because of some hands leaking). I had been up 270% through a couple weeks on .1/.25 hands, but something went wrong. Below are some screenshots of various stats:






I've watched a couple coaching videos with limited success. Obiously have some leaks. Does anyone notice anything bad here? Post flop play could be a lot better I think. I would appreciate any help. Pretty sure this can't just be variance. Though I did have 7 hands of AA earlier that netted a loss of 30 cents at .01/.02, which I've gone back down to in an effort to rebuild the bankroll.
Look at the clear inverse relationship between the stakes and the % of the time you go to showdown.

You are playing based on the amount of money in the pot, not your hand and your villain's range.

This is your major "leak," because it basically tells us that you are thinking incorrectly about pretty much every pot you play.

Stay at .01/.02 and learn to play a tight/aggressive game. practice thinking about the money as chips or units, not actual money.

Then, focus on making the correct decision every hand--don't think about how much money is in the pot, just think about your hand, your villain's range, what his bets are telling you about his hand.

Don't EVER call "to see what he has" or because it "is only x $s."

Your preflop stats look ok (vpip/pfr). You should maybe be raising a higher proportion of the hands you play, but, compared to the fundamental flaw in your thinking, this is a trivial leak.

also, make sure you are properly rolled for your stakes--you should have 20 full stack buy ins to be playing a level. Failing to adhere to this bankroll management strategy will result in you being scared money.

get a more experienced cash game player to sweat you for a few sessions. I suspect that there are fundamental flaws in your game that a quick stat review will not correct.

pm me if you want a sweat session, or hit up somebody you know to be a winner at $25 or higher.
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09-14-2008 , 02:54 AM
Mpethy can I get you to help me do a post on my summary stats for my Tour de micros...Should I PM them or what? I know you do too much here but if you can work me through what I need to put in then maybe I can help you out in some way.

Thanks Dog
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09-14-2008 , 09:11 PM
Juuuuk:

My real a-ha moment was when I realised the TRUE power of position and raising up limpers. Watching videos really helped with that. Also I filtered out the blinds on my 2nd graph, that's why there's less hands.

And what does everyone consider a solid flop cbet %? Mine is around 80% but I'm trying to bring it down.
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09-16-2008 , 08:20 PM
Hello,

I've started building a BR from $50 and grinding out 2NL. I played 1879 hands and just wanted you opinion on how your doing. If you notice i've beeen really spewy in the SB/BB, mostly due to tilt and stupid play. I've learnt from that and not playing more than 2 tables at once. Made that mistake and paid for it when I wasn't very comfortable. Well, thought I could do it but boy was I wrong.




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09-16-2008 , 08:30 PM
Here is image with Showdown winnings.


Also should I be playing with a full stack of $5 or play with $2/2.50?
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09-16-2008 , 09:03 PM
bigbros:

1900 hands is not nearly a big enough sample to draw conclusions from.

your stats look pretty good for your level, with, of course, the exception of the blinds.

I don't fully understand how playing too many tables caused you to spew from the blinds so horrifically, but i guess I don't really have to. As long as you have a handle on what caused you to spew like that, that is all that matters.

Your W$@SD is a bit too low for a TAg. Try to get it up above 50% by folding some more on the river in cases where the villain has shown consistent strength and you have amarginal had. Filter in Hem for the hands you called and lost on the river to look for patterns in what hands you typically call down with that you shouldn't be. In such a small sample (we usually like to have 40,000 hands) this may or may not be a problem.

you should be playing more hands in late position and maybe a few less in ep. You are passing up a lot of situations on the CO and btn that should prove profitable in the long run--calling/3betting with SCs, stealing blinds with top 35% hands when it is folded to you, isolating ep limpers, etc.
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09-16-2008 , 09:28 PM
thanks, that should be plenty to work on until I hit that magical 40,000. Probably spewing that much on the blinds was due to major tilt and really lost it. I probably do call down too much because I always think that they have nothing, also it might be due to all those all-in situations from the blinds.... found that went all in 9 times and lost about $10

Last edited by bigbros2; 09-16-2008 at 09:32 PM. Reason: Found all-in total
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09-16-2008 , 09:39 PM
Also can that top 35% range be found using pokerstove?
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09-17-2008 , 03:00 AM
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Also can that top 35% range be found using pokerstove?
yep, go to the preflop tab and use the slider
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09-17-2008 , 06:29 PM
Allrighty, I've now had about 10k hands on 25NL since I moved there and things are going fine so far... But I would like a checkup on the stats to see if there are major things I have to work on. I don't think I changed a lot since 10NL but I noticed I limp more speculative hands (after earlier limpers) which brings the vpip/pfr ratio out of balance a bit.

What I've seen so far:

* Limp less from the SB
* Increase the PFR (although for now the limping seems to be working)
* Go to showdown a bit more
* Perhaps increase aggression a bit
* Maybe increase 3betting a bit?

Anyway, here goes... Any comments are appreciated:

Overall:


By position:


Graph:
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09-18-2008 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dagrim1
Allrighty, I've now had about 10k hands on 25NL since I moved there and things are going fine so far... But I would like a checkup on the stats to see if there are major things I have to work on. I don't think I changed a lot since 10NL but I noticed I limp more speculative hands (after earlier limpers) which brings the vpip/pfr ratio out of balance a bit.

What I've seen so far:

* Limp less from the SB
* Increase the PFR (although for now the limping seems to be working)
* Go to showdown a bit more
* Perhaps increase aggression a bit
* Maybe increase 3betting a bit?

Anyway, here goes... Any comments are appreciated:

Overall:


By position:


Graph:
Your stats look really good except for the blinds.

I think your AF and your 3 betting are fine. You could tinker with them a bit, but I do not think either of these is a big leak for you.

You are correct that you need to limp less in the SB. You should be raising most of the time it is folded to you in the SB; if there is a limper you should be raising a fair amount of the time, too.

You should also be raising more in the BB, and you should be defending a bit lighter. Don't tinker too much with your BB, though, because your loss rate there is excellent. It is the small blind that you need to work on.

This is all assuming that your small sample is representative of your long term results.

The other thing that I noticed is that your winrate otb seems a bit low. I don't really have firm target win rate in mind, but I think you could win more on the button. You should look through your hands on the button and really study them for a few places where you could have made an extra bet, or, equally importantly, saved an extra bet.
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09-18-2008 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Your stats look really good except for the blinds.

I think your AF and your 3 betting are fine. You could tinker with them a bit, but I do not think either of these is a big leak for you.

You are correct that you need to limp less in the SB. You should be raising most of the time it is folded to you in the SB; if there is a limper you should be raising a fair amount of the time, too.

You should also be raising more in the BB, and you should be defending a bit lighter. Don't tinker too much with your BB, though, because your loss rate there is excellent. It is the small blind that you need to work on.

This is all assuming that your small sample is representative of your long term results.

The other thing that I noticed is that your winrate otb seems a bit low. I don't really have firm target win rate in mind, but I think you could win more on the button. You should look through your hands on the button and really study them for a few places where you could have made an extra bet, or, equally importantly, saved an extra bet.
Thanks a mill mpethy

About BTN results, checked it quickly and had a few big loosing hands there. Meaning losing 3 buyins in 4 hands with flush over flush twice, a flopped straight versus set which filled up on the river. So that could explain at least part of it...

SB is ideed one I'm working on. I tend(ed) to limp in too often with hands like K8, Q7 with multiple limpers in front of me thinking 'ah well, it's cheap and who knows' so yeah. Working on that one...

I think this style is representative for my 'real' style. I checked my 10NL period and it looked about the same so for now I'll just keep on going like this with the adjustments you mentioned (and perhaps some other ).

Just wanted to checkup to see if I was heading the right direction! Cheers again!
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09-20-2008 , 01:24 AM
hi

I have been grinding in 2nl with 4-6 tables for like 1 and half months now. I m planing to move up the limit once I hit $200 on my bankroll. I got around $160 now.
I just want to see if there is any major leak in my play so I can fix it before I move up. Well here is my stats:

Thanks for your input

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09-21-2008 , 07:12 AM
NL2, grinding 16-20 tables, buy in 3$, PokerStars.




I just play straight forward poker, not many fancy moves... i think this is the better way to be a winning player at this level. Opinions?
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09-21-2008 , 03:38 PM
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NL2, grinding 16-20 tables, buy in 3$, PokerStars.




I just play straight forward poker, not many fancy moves... i think this is the better way to be a winning player at this level. Opinions?
this is just really terrible.

your vpip should only be a few % off your preflop raise. you're too passive preflop. you are probably playing too many hands for your skill level, too. at those stakes playing that many tables you should run much closer to 12/10.

you go to showdown way too often, largely (given these stats) because you're too passive postflop as well.

attempt to steal is one of the most important stats you could be looking at, and the fact you didn't include it suggests that you undervalue the importance of position.


you're going to have to completely revamp your game in order to move up successfully. tighten your hand selection a bit, raise limpers a LOT more when you're in lp--raise limpers with any hand you'd play except sometimes small pairs vs short stack limpers. just stop limping nearly altogether. start betting more, take the lead in hands when you can.

i know your winrate looks good but you could probably double it at 2nl.
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