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Old 03-29-2013, 11:44 AM   #5151
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Hi, i'm playing 8 tables of zoom, 4 FR and 4 SH. nl25.

i've been playing SH for a long time and i want to stack VPPs so i added FR. i though i was going good at first, but i can't seem to win much.



(this is full ring only, obv)

i'm 17/14. 6% 3bet. 42% won money when saw flop. 3.5 agg factor. 37.7 agg%.

do you think i should tighten up ? or probably be more agg? or something. i'm 13/6 from the big blind, for -42 bb/100. 18/13 from the SB, for -30bb/100. 6 bb/100 MP. 4 bb/100 from the cutoff.

those bb/100 are ev adjusted
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:35 PM   #5152
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Hi, i'm playing 8 tables of zoom, 4 FR and 4 SH. nl25.

i've been playing SH for a long time and i want to stack VPPs so i added FR. i though i was going good at first, but i can't seem to win much.



(this is full ring only, obv)

i'm 17/14. 6% 3bet. 42% won money when saw flop. 3.5 agg factor. 37.7 agg%.

do you think i should tighten up ? or probably be more agg? or something. i'm 13/6 from the big blind, for -42 bb/100. 18/13 from the SB, for -30bb/100. 6 bb/100 MP. 4 bb/100 from the cutoff.

those bb/100 are ev adjusted
post some hands in a new thread, maybe you're overplaying certain spots because fr is a lil tighter than 6max
17/14 is definitely not bad and 3bet is also not bad. but stats are only half the story.
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:39 PM   #5153
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Really need help,easily beat nl2 but cant beat nl5
post some hands in a new thread and ask for advice.

Other than that, learn how to fold bottom sets and 3rd nuts and you should do a lot better. Zoom is overall tighter so whenever you get a lot of action it probably means they have a hand. Steal more, 3bet/4bet resteal. Focus on winning a lot of small pots. You won't always have the nuts to stack someone so don't force big pots when you have marginal hands.

There is no magic formula though, just work on your game and adjust to the new limit.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:48 AM   #5154
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Hi guys, trying to get active here and put some accountability on myself to give poker a red hot crack. I've never enjoyed ring games much but I seemed to be treading water playing sitngo's and bleeding money playing super turbos so decided to try and develop a solid full ring game.

So far so good, fairly small sample size, about 6000 hands this month. I was going to wait until 10k to post something but I figure why wait, if there's something obvious i'd rather modify my game now.

I've spent a bit of time over the Easter weekend going over my stats and have come to the conclusion that I play way too many marginal hands out of the blinds and my steal defence % is way too high. I also need to Cbet more and fold to more 3bet pre flop. My overall play seemed a little loose and according to pokertrackers leak finder I am too aggressive on all 3 streets.

Any pointers or info any other 2+2's could provide would be very much appreciated. I've posted a couple of hand histories today as well so feel free to take a look at these to see the kind of spots i've been getting into, both good and bad.

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Old 03-31-2013, 08:03 AM   #5155
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You realize that most of your winnings are due to running hot in all-in situations? If this is full ring I'd advise you to tighten up considerably.
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:23 PM   #5156
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No I was not aware of that at all tbh. Can I ask which stats tell you that? I should have posted my Showdown/Without Showdown graph as well, will do that tomorrow.

I know 27/20 is too loose at full ring, i've tightened considerably from the blinds over the last 2000 hands or so and i've tried to leave a few of the more marginal holdings out of my range on the CO/Button.

Anything else glaring out at you?
And yes this is full ring.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:22 PM   #5157
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No I was not aware of that at all tbh. Can I ask which stats tell you that? .
The discrepancy between My C won and My C All-in adj.

Non-showdown winnings are overvalued. The lagginess (including high PF 3b) is the first thing I notice. For most other stats the sample size is really too small.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:02 PM   #5158
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

here i go again

i posted here i while ago and i think i fixed my blindplay a bit. The following stats/graph is filtered for Nl10 Zoom FR only, as i want to make Zoom FR my main game for the next future.
What i am looking for is any feedback you can give me about my stats ofc, but especially:

- what can you read out of my blindplay?
- how is my late/ stealing game? (looks like there is a big gap between my CO and my BU play...does that look normal?)
- how is my cbetting game and is the gap between flop and turn cbet allright? Should i be cbetting more since i play quite conservative preflop?


(CO unopend Vpip = CO unopend PFR because i don┤t openlimp the CO. just messed up the filter but i┤m too lazzy to change it now...)


if you want me to set any filter to give a better feedback, please let me know. I am also interested in what tipps/ strategies you could give me to get rid of my leaks. My preflop opensizes are mostly 3-4x from EP, 3-3.5x from MP, 3x from CO, 2.5x from BU and 3x SB vs BB but ofc all of those i sometimes adapt player dependent.

Thanks in advance guys!

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Old 03-31-2013, 09:18 PM   #5159
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my cbet is is ~59%, turn cbet ~50% and river cbet ~50%

how should i read this? does it mean i triple barrel 25% of time when i cbet flop?

turn i guess is obvious i double barrel half of time


not sure if this is good or bad, could explain why i dont get called very lightly on flop, as they might need to sit and wait for a hand that will very often face 2barrel and triple quite often too?
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:57 AM   #5160
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The discrepancy between My C won and My C All-in adj.

Non-showdown winnings are overvalued. The lagginess (including high PF 3b) is the first thing I notice. For most other stats the sample size is really too small.
Ok i'm with you. So just to clarify, if for a particular day My C won was $10 and the My C Allin-in adj was $20, would this imply that my expected value for allin situations was higher than what i'd won and had run bad? Conversely if My C won was $10 and My C All-in adj was -$10, would that mean I had run well and hit a few hands from behind? Hopefully i've got that the right way around.

Is there a way in Pt4 to filter those stats to seperate allin pre and allin post flop winnings? I'm assuming when the all-in adjustment is made it's basing it off the EV of "any" allin situation at the time the money goes in?

Regarding the lagginess, isn't LAG the ideal way to play for cash games? I don't mean Loose to the point of being a chip spewing monkey but i've always thought playing really tight makes you easy to exploit. My 9man SNG strategy is very different to how I play cash. Lifetime cash i'm running 27/20 over 8000 and for 9 man SNG's its 17/12 so I can definitely revert to a tighter strategy if thats the profitable thing to do. I'm just finding at these levels I can play more hands like suited connectors and one gappers in position against these tight fish and their QQ-AA-AQ-AK range and really clean them out, especially when they miss.

Thanks again for your feedback!
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Old 04-02-2013, 02:14 AM   #5161
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Ok i'm with you. So just to clarify, if for a particular day My C won was $10 and the My C Allin-in adj was $20, would this imply that my expected value for allin situations was higher than what i'd won and had run bad? Conversely if My C won was $10 and My C All-in adj was -$10, would that mean I had run well and hit a few hands from behind? Hopefully i've got that the right way around.
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Is there a way in Pt4 to filter those stats to seperate allin pre and allin post flop winnings? I'm assuming when the all-in adjustment is made it's basing it off the EV of "any" allin situation at the time the money goes in?
That is correct. I'm not sure there is a ready-made filter for this, but it should be possible to construct one using things like "calling all-in preflop" and "betting all-in preflop".

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Regarding the lagginess, isn't LAG the ideal way to play for cash games? I don't mean Loose to the point of being a chip spewing monkey but i've always thought playing really tight makes you easy to exploit. My 9man SNG strategy is very different to how I play cash. Lifetime cash i'm running 27/20 over 8000 and for 9 man SNG's its 17/12 so I can definitely revert to a tighter strategy if thats the profitable thing to do. I'm just finding at these levels I can play more hands like suited connectors and one gappers in position against these tight fish and their QQ-AA-AQ-AK range and really clean them out, especially when they miss.
I just said I noted it. Playing LAG makes you less readable, but it requires better postflop skills. It's possible that you have those skills. However, at the micros your opponents are not good hand readers, so they'll pay you off even if you play tight. At least that used to be the consensus, however, games are evolving.

Note also that your SnG stats depend a lot on the blind level. So your 17/12 is probably an average over anything between 2bb and 75bb. Note that while in tournaments you get looser with shorter stacks, in cash games it's mainly the other way around. 100bb is probably not quite deep enough to play really loose.
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:28 AM   #5162
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Yes.
I just said I noted it. Playing LAG makes you less readable, but it requires better postflop skills. It's possible that you have those skills. However, at the micros your opponents are not good hand readers, so they'll pay you off even if you play tight. At least that used to be the consensus, however, games are evolving.

Note also that your SnG stats depend a lot on the blind level.
Yes I was very surprised when I went in to check those stats actually! I think it was 30/25 but when you think about all the short handed play that makes sense. I filtered my stats based on blinds upto 50/100 and used the vp/ip from the early levels for those stats I pasted.

I can definitely get into some tricky spots post flop but i'm cutting that down as we speak by trying to just play my drawing type hands in position and folding to 3bets a bit more. Not playing back out of the blinds has been a wise move. Would you say my steal% is quite high? I always seem to be running a high steal% but they just seem to be folding enough to make it profitable.
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Old 04-02-2013, 12:37 PM   #5163
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here i go again

i posted here i while ago and i think i fixed my blindplay a bit. The following stats/graph is filtered for Nl10 Zoom FR only, as i want to make Zoom FR my main game for the next future.
What i am looking for is any feedback you can give me about my stats ofc, but especially:

- what can you read out of my blindplay?
- how is my late/ stealing game? (looks like there is a big gap between my CO and my BU play...does that look normal?)
- how is my cbetting game and is the gap between flop and turn cbet allright? Should i be cbetting more since i play quite conservative preflop?


(CO unopend Vpip = CO unopend PFR because i don┤t openlimp the CO. just messed up the filter but i┤m too lazzy to change it now...)


if you want me to set any filter to give a better feedback, please let me know. I am also interested in what tipps/ strategies you could give me to get rid of my leaks. My preflop opensizes are mostly 3-4x from EP, 3-3.5x from MP, 3x from CO, 2.5x from BU and 3x SB vs BB but ofc all of those i sometimes adapt player dependent.

Thanks in advance guys!
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Old 04-02-2013, 03:54 PM   #5164
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The "gap" between CO and Button looks ok; from the CO you have one more player to worry about, and he has position on you, so depending on who is sitting there tightening up a bit makes sense.

Why do you think that the "gap" between flop cbet and turn cbet has any significance at all?
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Old 04-02-2013, 06:40 PM   #5165
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^^ because it shows if i double barrel enough?! I hope thats what it means...
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:30 PM   #5166
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Hello guys,
I've been playing 10NL 6max on Stars for the last 2 months and I am down about 15BI. Could you look at the stats and tell me if you see anything out of the ordinary? The stats and graph are from last month when I played 25k hands.
The things I have to improve are certainly:
- cbetting less, 2 barreling more selectively
- defend more to 3bets when I'm in CO/BU
- fix my blind defense
Can you tell what else should I fix/pay attention to? Any help would be appreciated, if you need any filters/supplementary stats I'll be happy to provide them. Thank you for your help.

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Old 04-04-2013, 02:15 AM   #5167
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^^ because it shows if i double barrel enough?! I hope thats what it means...
That's a common fallacy that probably can't be eradicated.

Think about the definition of flop cbet, turn cbet, and double barrelling.
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Old 04-06-2013, 05:01 AM   #5168
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Hello guys,
I've been playing 10NL 6max on Stars for the last 2 months and I am down about 15BI. Could you look at the stats and tell me if you see anything out of the ordinary? The stats and graph are from last month when I played 25k hands.
The things I have to improve are certainly:
- cbetting less, 2 barreling more selectively
- defend more to 3bets when I'm in CO/BU
- fix my blind defense
Can you tell what else should I fix/pay attention to? Any help would be appreciated, if you need any filters/supplementary stats I'll be happy to provide them. Thank you for your help.

maybe im wrong here, but it looks like ur river play is a bit scared. u should try to fold a bit less easly otr. i must be honest here and say that i am not sure. i think so because according to ur graph u almost never lose big when u go to sd.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:27 PM   #5169
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What's the win-rate for the BB & SB if you fold every hand in FR? I remember reading this somewhere but can't find it.
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What's the win-rate for the BB & SB if you fold every hand in FR? I remember reading this somewhere but can't find it.
It's the same in FR as in any other game. If you fold the big blind 100 times you lose 100 big blinds. So your winrate - assuming you never get a free walk and always fold - is -100bb/100, or, if you have an old PokerTracker, -50BB/100. For the small blind you have to adjust this accordingly: -50bb/100 for most stakes; -40bb/100 for NL5 and NL25.
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Old 04-19-2013, 11:18 AM   #5171
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Thanks, that cleared it up for me. I think I was thinking about it the wrong way.
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Old 04-25-2013, 01:45 AM   #5172
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Hi guys, i have beaten 25nl before some time ago but have started from scratch right now and things are going good. I do think however some stats look weird, like WTSD and W$SD which are really high. The only way i can explain this is that i play tight compared to other regs and they disregard my positional stats, and maybe also that my table selection is good and i get to play more fish but who knows...



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Old 04-28-2013, 03:51 AM   #5173
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Hi, please find below my graph and stats from the last 10K hands at 5nl.

I'd really appreciate any advice or feedback thanks.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?67e3k3qpd6xo77e

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just make a photobucket account and post them there. I'm sure most people here, myself included, would rather not dl anything from someone we don't know. no offense.
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Old 04-28-2013, 04:51 AM   #5175
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just make a photobucket account and post them there. I'm sure most people here, myself included, would rather not dl anything from someone we don't know. no offense.
Yeah no offense taken at all, I've had some issues with photobucket.

Media fires very safe but no worries I can see your point.
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