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Old 08-09-2008, 05:43 PM   #401
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Yours is the safe reply, but this graph looks somewhat like mine, so I am going to take a swing:

tomrh3, you are probably close to a break even player at the stakes depicted. For those of us with modest winrates, the graph will swing like crazy because the major determinant on whether we are winning is the quality of the cards we get and whether these hands hold up, and these factors are random; thus, the graph looks crazy random with, we hope, a general upward trend. When you see a graph that trends upward at a fairly consistent angle, it means, among other things, that the person who posted that graph is doing a good job of winning without just waiting for cards.

There are lots of other possible explanations, which is why mert said your question couldn't be answered, but this is, frankly the most likely, imo.

edit: your graph looks pretty good, except for the downswong. play more hands and take another look at 200,000 hands--you'll probably be reasonably satisfied.
Thanks for the input, honestly this sounds accurate.
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Old 08-11-2008, 05:19 AM   #402
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Is there no filter to instantly perma-ban any new subscriber who writes "skill" in the plural with a Z?
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:12 PM   #403
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I think it's better to look at them separately. When people tell me they are losing in NSD pots, the first thing I tell them to do is to filter out the blind hands and look again, then I never hear from them again, lol.

Obviously the blinds are an analytically separate group of hands, simply because your contribution to the pot starts out involuntary.

So when I look at NSD pots, I look at 4 groups--the blinds, EP, MP and LP.

There's a recent thread on acceptable (win) rates from the blinds--it seemed that the solid players were at least down to around -0.20 in the bb and -0.09 or so in the sb.
not all my hands, but some recent .5/1, 1/2fr(all 7h+)

overall


blinds(-.17, -.03)


ep(.06)


mp(.10)


lp(.16, .35)
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Old 08-12-2008, 08:25 PM   #404
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Hi all. Comment pls my stats. Small distance, but...









Thanks.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:46 PM   #405
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Eventus,
I'm def. not as good as mpethy and some others in this forum at analyzing stats, but looking at your positional stats...

Wow, you're actually losing money from the BTN. The CO and BTN should be your most profitable positions in FR. I'd try tightening up a bit until you really know how to play based solely on position.
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not all my hands, but some recent .5/1, 1/2fr(all 7h+)

overall


blinds(-.17, -.03)


ep(.06)


mp(.10)


lp(.16, .35)
zomg. coach me, please.



serious biz, here: what's up in EP with the negative showdown winnings? i would not have expected that from you.
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Old 08-13-2008, 08:27 PM   #407
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Eventus,
I'm def. not as good as mpethy and some others in this forum at analyzing stats, but looking at your positional stats...

Wow, you're actually losing money from the BTN. The CO and BTN should be your most profitable positions in FR. I'd try tightening up a bit until you really know how to play based solely on position.
eventus:

Your sample is too small for any firm conclusions. But if you think the sample is representative of your play, then knn05 is right. the button is your biggest leak, followed closely by the BB, followed in 3rd place by the CO. pm me if you want me to do a detailed analysis of your stats (which we should only do based on these stats if you think it is a fair representation of your play; oterwise, post again at 45k hands and lets see how it's looking then.)
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serious biz, here: what's up in EP with the negative showdown winnings? i would not have expected that from you.
probably a little variance, and its the weakest part of my FR game, I think I make up for it with the brutal beating I put on fools when I get the BTN
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probably a little variance, and its the weakest part of my FR game, I think I make up for it with the brutal beating I put on fools when I get the BTN
I would say you more than make up for it. Your LP graph is beeee-oootiful.

Truthfully, though, it is your blinds play that impresses me the most. Maybe that's just a bias of mine, but i dunno. I would expect you to be crushing people out of LP--that's what good players do, ldo. But those blind numbers are really, really good, and it is an often overlooked aspect of play.
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This is my last 73,000 hands.

This is the worst performance I have ever put in out of the blinds in a big sample. I used to do ok out of the blinds;-0.22and -0.11 through half a million hands or so; but ever since I started 3 betting more, i have been getting slaughtered. I am clearly doing lots of things wrong, but i am not sure what.


This is UTG only. meh; not happy with the slope, but not too bad.


This is UTG+1, MP1 and MP2; again, the slope blows.


Hijack, CO and button. Again, lousy slope.


i am not sure what it means that my slopes are so shallow. maybe that i am losing too much when i lose? maybe that i am not winning enough when i win? I'm not sure, and I'm still trying to figure it out.
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Old 08-14-2008, 01:43 PM   #411
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hi guys, loving the graphs

my question is...how are you making them? i can make a graph of my ups (and downs) in poker tracker 2, but it doesnt have any units or show the number of hands played, just a blank axis

any help would be great! and if theres a guide anywhere on 2+2 on how to do it then please point me there as i havent found 1.

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hi guys, loving the graphs

my question is...how are you making them? i can make a graph of my ups (and downs) in poker tracker 2, but it doesnt have any units or show the number of hands played, just a blank axis

any help would be great! and if theres a guide anywhere on 2+2 on how to do it then please point me there as i havent found 1.

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download poker ev to run with your pt2--make the graphs in poker ev using the filters.

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Old 08-14-2008, 07:04 PM   #413
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So I posted my graph about 2 weeks ago and didn't get much feedback, hopefully someone will comment this time.

I've been beating 25NL steadily and am trying to move up to 50NL now, playing 8 tables. Here are my stats, if anyone could let me know if I'm doing anything wrong or should tweak some numbers, please do. Also any adjustments that should be made for 50NL? I've been trying out 3betting wider and it has mostly just got me in some bad spots
This recent breakeven stretch is making me rethink my game.




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Old 08-15-2008, 12:38 AM   #414
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Mert:

Your stats look fine. Keep doing what you are doing, you are crushing $25. I seriously want to beat you for griping about a 9k hand b/e stretch, but whatever. Your stats are great and you are beating the game. change nothing at the moment.
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Old 08-15-2008, 01:23 AM   #415
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Sounds good. Now if only I could make big folds..
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Old 08-15-2008, 04:39 AM   #416
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i'm confused as to whether the stats are "big blind" per 100 or PTBB/100

what is the norm for all these graphs and charts?
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Old 08-15-2008, 10:12 AM   #417
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ptbb

easy way to tell....

If you look at merts $25nl stats and round them off you'll get...

40k hands for $1200

40k/100 = 400 (100 being how you calculate wr in number of hands, eg 2ptbb/100, so we have 400 100s)

assuming it's ptbb we get 50c per ptbb

His winrate is around 6pt = 6pt*50c = $3

400*$3 =$1200
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Old 08-16-2008, 11:32 AM   #418
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ptbb is bb/100 - the BB stands for big bet
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So I posted my graph about 2 weeks ago and didn't get much feedback, hopefully someone will comment this time.

I've been beating 25NL steadily and am trying to move up to 50NL now, playing 8 tables. Here are my stats, if anyone could let me know if I'm doing anything wrong or should tweak some numbers, please do. Also any adjustments that should be made for 50NL? I've been trying out 3betting wider and it has mostly just got me in some bad spots
This recent breakeven stretch is making me rethink my game.



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Old 08-17-2008, 02:43 PM   #420
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LOL so I am

DAMN IT ITS BANANAZOO
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Old 08-17-2008, 03:23 PM   #421
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My stats and graph:




I do not play poker often, sometimes i play every day in a week 2 tables, sometimes i hardly play a few hours/month. But now i want to play every evening (that means 2 hours/day) in the coming weeks.
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LOL so I am

DAMN IT ITS BANANAZOO
Get a prog called snagit, thenn you can just copy the section of screen you need and edit it. Or use paint to only select the parts of the print screen you need.
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Old 08-18-2008, 04:26 PM   #423
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My most recent stats. Feedback appreciated!

I started at NL10 with some freeroll cashes But once I realised I would've gone busto on a downswing, I dropped to NL5. Which hurt because I was running well and playing good. Glad I did drop though, if you look at the graph you know why. NL5 has been hell. I plan to move to 10NL again once I get to $200. I'm now at $157.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:46 PM   #424
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sl, here's the things I notice.

1)Your PRF divided by your VPIP is about 1/3rd. OP says 2/3rds is good. Most people at these levels don't fight back when they should. Preflop raise, cbet, win. It's not THAT basic, but it's close.

2)You could steal a little more.

3)I can't really comment on your Total AF since you have Pre added in there, but the individual streets look fine.

4)Not enough raises in late position. A graph of your VPIP goes lower the closer you get to the blinds, your PFR graph is a line.

Just my opinion though, gl.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:53 PM   #425
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Anyways, it's been a month since i went down from $50NL to work on my problems (shown here) (Yes, I know. sample size.)



Well, I went down to $2NL for a little bit (2 hours) Then I went up to $5NL for 22 hours. Then I did the same at $10NL. (The reason I went up is based on my idea on when I'm good enough at a given limit to move up. I was already very close to that bar at $2nl, explaining the short stay.)

(Yes, I still know. sample size.)



I think all of the problems from the first pic are fixed or close to it on the second one.

Anything wrong with the second pic? ty.
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