**** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

[CWsports]

^http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...g/ccpf-511948/

[LuckyStraights]

Originally Posted by jamez_kerry

I think I'm confused about something then. Can someone explain why the stats shown on page one have CCPF% at around 1-2%.

Mines personally is around 6 and I was lead to believe that this was too high. Is this info correct?

I'll take a shot at this...

The stats on the front page are from solid winning players, those are there stats and if you want a similar style of game, and if your stats fall into line with those then you are likely doing things correctly for that style of game.

However there is more then one approach to the game, and the "ideal" CCPF stat will probably reflect the different approaches.

[jamez_kerry]

Originally Posted by CWsports

^http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...g/ccpf-511948/

Thanks!

[disco_stu1978]

WOW!!! that was an epic 4 day read right there!

Finaly got through it, and it has helped tremendously. I still wanted to throw up my stats to get some feedback though. It is always a good thing when you can get a few pair of extra eyes.

I know there is only 8k hands here but I just have this nagging feeling I am doing it wrong, and cannot pin point where.

[Sounded Simple]

Originally Posted by jamez_kerry

I think I'm confused about something then. Can someone explain why the stats shown on page one have CCPF% at around 1-2%.

Mines personally is around 6 and I was lead to believe that this was too high. Is this info correct?

Originally Posted by LuckyStraights

I'll take a shot at this...

The stats on the front page are from solid winning players, those are there stats and if you want a similar style of game, and if your stats fall into line with those then you are likely doing things correctly for that style of game.

However there is more then one approach to the game, and the "ideal" CCPF stat will probably reflect the different approaches.

LS has it right here. If ever there was a stat that proves that stats have limited value its CCPF.

Example Playerx (100bb) opens in the HJ with XX and you have 78s on the button.
You could take two winning players and they could debate the merits of flatcalling vs 3-betting (depending on the player type of playerx and dymanic) for a long time and they might not ever agree. Personally I prefer flatting but whatever.

The main point is that regardless if you think 3bet>calling or calling>3bet you should first realise that call_or_3bet>>>>>>>>>folding.

[AKSpartan]

Halp?

25NL





If someone who knows what they're doing wants to do a stat review session with me for $$$, candy, etc, shoot me a PM.

[#1ThunderFan]

Originally Posted by AKSpartan

Halp?

25NL





If someone who knows what they're doing wants to do a stat review session with me for $$$, candy, etc, shoot me a PM.

Your spewing hardcore from the blinds. Read up on blind play. Also you arent 3betting enough IMO. Also, looks like you are stealing a little to much and may be getting exploited.

[CaptVimes]

Quick question, when you take three of a kind to Showdown, what's a good winning percentage? Trying to spot leakage and/or weird variance.

[disco_stu1978]

Originally Posted by CaptVimes

Quick question, when you take three of a kind to Showdown, what's a good winning percentage? Trying to spot leakage and/or weird variance.

I think it would depend a lot on how that set developed. If you flopped it, turned it. If it was a pair on the board and one in the whole etc.

[JimmyJack]

Originally Posted by CaptVimes

Quick question, when you take three of a kind to Showdown, what's a good winning percentage? Trying to spot leakage and/or weird variance.

I got 79,2% for 144 hands for about 1300 ptBB/100, it's over my 45k hand sample.

I can't tell if its high or low though.

[AKSpartan]

Originally Posted by #1ThunderFan

Your spewing hardcore from the blinds. Read up on blind play. Also you arent 3betting enough IMO. Also, looks like you are stealing a little to much and may be getting exploited.

My blind play is standard.

I steal selectively, and am certainly not being exploited by the 9/5 10 ATS who fold 10/11 times.

[CaptVimes]

Originally Posted by disco_stu1978

I think it would depend a lot on how that set developed. If you flopped it, turned it. If it was a pair on the board and one in the whole etc.

Yeah, I know, but over a bunch of hands the differences should even out. What I'm really trying to get at is if my winning % with these hands, since I can't separate sets from trips flopped/turned/rivered etc. (PT2 ftl). So I could either be doing a couple things, not reading when I should be folding correctly, which I don't think is a big problem, or I'm too strong when I have big hands. Or it could be simple variance, but without some numbers for comparison I've got nothing to go on.

I got 79,2% for 144 hands for about 1300 ptBB/100, it's over my 45k hand sample.

I can't tell if its high or low though.

What level is this at, mine's way different. Which makes me want to narrow this to NL25 players for ease of comparison.

[#1ThunderFan]

Originally Posted by AKSpartan

My blind play is standard.

I steal selectively, and am certainly not being exploited by the 9/5 10 ATS who fold 10/11 times.

Just saying you MAY be getting exploited. Mid 40's is fairly high. Just my simple opionion though.

[I vi ii V7]

Originally Posted by CaptVimes

Quick question, when you take three of a kind to Showdown, what's a good winning percentage? Trying to spot leakage and/or weird variance.

Not sure if I'm looking at the right thing or not, but over the last 4 months, 92k hand sample, three of a kind went to showdown 126 times. W$SD% is 80% . I'm running right about at EV, roughly 3kbb/100.

[dabomb75]

can somebody look at their bb/100 for all hands at any level excluding AA?

I just moved up to 25NL and am doing well (7.32 bb/100), but I feel like the majority of that is because i have been running goot with my aces.

Right now, I'm running at -2.9 bb/100 for all hands excluding AA and I have a feeling that that is a very bad sign. This could just be variance (only 5k sample at 25NL so far) or a future indication of some leaks. Anyways, just want to know what a good number to be aiming for on my non-AA hands is.