I don't ever open limp for the most part. I usually call in position with hands like AQs. Maybe I should start 3 betting light?

I cold called with only 237 hands out of 37k and that was -154 of the biggest losses with JJ 99 and 77 contributing to most of the losses.

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omg look at ur att. to steal blinds!!!!!!!!!
18%? for a 13/9 u wanna be at least over 25%..
i think ur river agg. is way too high..u probably choose to third barrel too often..u cannot bluff successfully at 25NL because they will call three barrels with TP..gotta lay down those AK, midpair and TPWK..
i'm sure most players at 25NL don't know this but the regs will know, ur turn AF is lower than the river AF which is uncommon and it's very hard to represent strength checking turn and firing river

Hmm by my calculations it should've been about a thousand but OK.

From those starting hands tables, it definitely looks like a cooler. JJ, 99, 77, QJs, hands like these should be in the plus even for a losing player. Hope you stick through it, man. Good luck.

My first 40k hands at nl50 fullring at stars. Most of the hands is 18-20 Tabling.
What do you think guys? Really looking forward to get some feedback.

Won $ at showdown seems a little odd to me with those stats. I think it should be like, 53%+`? Any idea why it's so low? Just variance?

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Hmmmm... might be variance, i dont know. What would cause it to be low?

Obviously playing too many hands and going to showdown too much with too weak hands, but from other stats you don't seem to be doing that at all. So apart from variance only other possibility would be that you fold too much when you're ahead and play back too much when you're behind, but that would be a pretty unreal mistake to make. Usually people either fold too much, period, or play back too much, period. Resulting in a small went to showdown and high W$SD, or big WTSD and low W$SD, respectively.

Hi, I started to play real money since 2008/01.

Recently I am full of frustration when I upgraded NL10 in last month. I feel it's more harder than NL2 & NL5. (more steal/defend blind , more powerful raise against you, more action...)

My style is very simple, very tight ( about 12/5), I am loving to play pairs and wish it flop set. If players are passive , I'll limp more AXs, KXs in any pos.

It works fine in NL2&5 but seems not work in NL10 because many players with good pos will always raise 5BB-6BB to attack you.

Besides, I can't adapt the larger BR swing . Now my br is about 600-650, if I lost 3 buyin($30) one day, I'll think "damn why i'm beaten by NL10 again?" and feel no confidence whole week.

How to get over it? please give me some advice, tks.


these are my PT stats.




NL2 & NL5


But NL10....

Seems pretty standard to me, though with your vpip/pfr numbers the way they are, your preflop AF seems low. 3ptbb/100 18tabling 50NL is pretty decent.

Alright over the first 12k hands of July, I am winning 42% at SD. Ew. So I check my all in equity. I am UP 250 in AI equity. WTF? So I check to see my WTSD. This number is actually lower than my long term rate. So am I right to assume that since I am not paying people off more, and I am running half decent in all in luck, that everyone always has me beat lately and nothing to worry about or something else? HALP

This is a general theory question on PT stats but specific to micro full ring:

I was thinking about how I would like to play (profitably of course ) if I was playing one table alone and decided my stats would look like 25/15/4. I don't think I've seen stats as loose and aggressive as this at micro levels (at all) and I can see why it's not optimal BUT surely it can be profitable still if your post flop play is good enough right? Cause I started to think that although it might not be optimal it might be worth taking the less profitable line (as we're playing these stakes for the experience after all) for the extra experience you gain from being in more unusual situations which would help you more as you move up stakes and help you feel more comfortable playing the players as opposed to the cards etc (and I seem to naturally play a looser style anyway).

Just my meandering thoughts really but the more I think about it the more I want to aim for that and not the standard 15/10/3 but would like to know other peoples thoughts and experiences of playing looser and more aggressive at these levels.

You ideally want to play 25/15?

Are you nuts..?

The first thing that comes to my mind is that playing just one table will make it much much much more difficult to evaluate the long-run effectiveness of your play.

Secondly, rake at 25NL and below is so massive that getting involved in a large number of marginal situations will likely decrease your winrate. For an illustration, if you make a 55:45 flip with no rake, in Sklansky bucks you win 55/100-45/100=0,1 times the amount wagered. With a rake of 5%, you win 55*0,95/100-45/100=0,0725 times the amount wagered. Here a 5% rake will make a roughly 30% difference in the amount won. If pots are capped regularly it is effectively a smaller rake, so with a cap a significantly larger number of marginal situations remain profitable. For an opposite example, if you make a 100:0 flip, then 5% is exactly the amount of profit you lose.

I'm just learning as well (making ~5ptbb/100 at 10NL 8-tabling as it is), but I definitely think if profit in upper microstakes internet games is a worthy goal for you, then in full ring you should on average be playing at least 4-6 tables even when learning, and instead of loosening your range in a limit you beat you should in general rather attempt to move up with a tight strategy. If you play 14/12, money doesn't just gush out of you even if you're playing geniuses. It's a small dribble at most. If you attempt to take your already non-optimal 25/15 to a place where it doesn't work at all, you'll bleed to death quickly.

It's definitely a learning tool that can give you ideas, but your main direction should probably be taking TAG ABC as far in limits as you can, THEN loosening up there a little until you can move up again, THEN loosening up there a little etc.

That being said, I'm definitely playing less than optimal for learning purposes Actually, I think you should do that a little But I'm talking about 15/13 instead of 12/10. 25/15 is too crazy.

BTW I still doubt 25/15 is ever better than 25/20, whatever funky situation or purpose. Limping just isn't cool.

Based on your position stats, it does not appear that you are very position aware. Tighten up in ep and loosen up in lp. it appears that you are limping into too many pots as your pfr is about half of ur vpip. You should attempt to steal the blinds more also, as this stat appears very low.

Thanks Vantek, great reply!

If my stats have remained the same as a winning 100k hand period as a break even 50k hand period but my w$sd has dropped from 56 to 49 what are the possible causes besides just running bad?

Alright here goes...

This is my last month and a half since finishing HOC series. I've played anywhere from 4- 10 tables, mainly 6-8 though. Just started to gradually move up to nl25 from nl10. Ran really hot lately too. Only like 500 hands at nl25 so far basically breakeven.








edit: i know i fail at post pics.

sharkscopeaholic: I assume you're prolly looking for replies from players more experienced than me (and rightly so). But one thing that comes to my mind is that you're extremely aggressive from the BTN.

Your stats on the BTN are 33/27, with a Raise First In % of 13. This suggests to me that either your opponents are limping very often, or you're 3betting the hell out of them when on the BTN. Is that so? And while I envy your great positional awareness, is it maybe a tad too aggressive?

83,000 hands.
4-5 tables
25NL
Full Ring

any genuine input is good input. After looking at others stats i seem to be pretty high. Some of this may be that i have nearly every regular marked and almost all of them have 90%+ fold to steal so i attempt to steal from them nearly every time. Also I'm not good at winning with good/marginal hands oop (AK oop is one of my biggest losers) so i must play many hands in postion till i get better at winning post flop oop.

So obv, the green line is straightforward as far as interpretation. But what do the red and blue lines tell me about my play, other than "I am losing money w/o showdown and winning money with showdown"? What is typical for a winning player, and what things should I look for as indicators that something's wrong?

Do you want to be coached?
DAmn bro i remember last month when you were having troubles.
You need to be a winner. I can help. pm me

Nah, I don't need coaching, I just need to know what the **** the blue and red lines tell me.

I believe blue line is saying when you go all the way you have the better hand much more often than not. Most fr players will have neg red lines becuase its harder to win post flop with so many players going against you. THis sounds confusing but 6max players are much more likely to have a positive red line since their opponets are less likely to have a good hand to go agasint him with, (8 opponets vs 5 opponets) . At least thats my thought and i think ive read that on here before too.

As far as im concerned they dont mean much at all. If you were playing well you would be profitable.

My red line drop like anchor but it is over come by supermanish showdown winnings.



^^ 25nl, fullring, 6 tabling