I know that winning players will likely never be up money in equity simply because we don't get our money in bad enough so that we have lots of opportunities to suck out, but is the following really all that normal, or would you guys say that I'm running bad?

I'm down $495 in equity over 40k hands this month.


btw, this is not a beat post or a pity party; if it was, i'd post it in bbv.

TY

EDIT to post above: forgot to mention that it is all 50NL.

The biggest winner at 1/2 on full tilt (Narena) played 17/6 over more then 1million hands (probably more, but that was just his graph from last year. However, Narena is a sick player. Even so, when he moved up to 400NL he had to change his style to be more aggresive preflop. So yes, you can play many styles and win, but people raise preflop for a reason and eventually it catches up with you.

I just finished my first 10,000 hands at 25nl. Was wondering if there are any obvious leaks you guys can see. I'm still learning how to use pokertracker so I hope I get this right.









I can't see much in the numbers but I think I'm playing too loose passive in early position. Oh, this is a probably a dumb quesion but can someone explain to me what that redline on the bottom represents, is it supposed to be so far off the other two?

I did a search on poker grapher and couldn't find anything comprehensive on how to interperate the data. I think I read somewhere that if your total winnings are lower than your sklansy bucks and showdown winnings it means you're getting pushed off of winning hands postflop. Is this true? The bet and equity blocks don't make much sense to me. Does it mean I'm not betting when I should too often? Should they match/ be level? I guess expected all-in winnings being lower than all-in winnings means I've gotten a bit lucky? Maybe there is a thread I'm unaware of that breaks down exactly how to analyze "poker grapher."

These are my first 93,000 hands at 50NL and the last 13,000 I've lost a bit.

One thing that stands out to me is you're limping a lot of hands from EP. I personally never limp first in. There are obviously different ways of playing preflop, but I'd try raising middle pocket pairs and just folding stuff like KJ.

The bottom line on your graph is your total winnings on any pot where you don't go to showdown.

My First graph Post


Any comments welcome I know not many hands

Just getting used to PT3 and pasting graphs

Position stats


Pos / VP / PFR / CC / 3bet
SB / 20 / 7.1 / 3.3 / 0.8
BB / 6.8 / 3 / 7.4 / 2.8
EP / 8.3 / 4.4 / 3.1 / 3
MP / 9.1 / 7.1 / 6 / 0.4
CO / 12.4 / 8.5 / 8.1 / 1
BTN / 19 / 15.9 / 7.3 / 0.9
ALL / 11.7 / 7.1 / 6.1 / 1.4


AF per street
Flop 5
Turn 2.1
River 1.2
Total 3.5


Do you think these stats are ok for playing FR .5/.10 NL?

Also, I've got some specific questions:

1. Do I have to 3bet more IP and less OOP?
2. Should I raise more in general?
3. Do I complete the SB too much?
4. Am I overly aggresive on flop and too passive on river?

Thanks for any comments!

First graph as a 25nl grinder for may.

Your losing a massive amount in non-showdown pots.

From early position i think you should try and cut the gap between between VPIP and PFR. 8% seems ok but i think u should be raising a lot closer to the entire 8%

1 At 10NL i wouldn't start 3 betting anyone light, so whether u 3 bet or not should be based predominantly on the strength of your cards. Just pay attention to how people are playing, for tight players QQ+, AK seems about right, but for others it will be more like 99+, AJ+ and sometimes even lighter.

2 You can probably get away with player a wider range on the BTN and CO. In fact of you will play well postflop then at 10NL you will be able to play a wider range from every position.

3. As you move up you should probably start completing the SB less as it sucks to play OOP but at 10NL in there are lots of multiway limped pots where it will be profitable to limp

4. You AF are very common for Taggish players at these levels. There is no point be overly aggressive on all streets at 10NL as there will be a lot of players who will simply not fold any made hands. So a higher river AF will lead usually just lead to you spewing off chips.

So overall your stats look OK. But its crucial to remember that it's not just really your stats which are important, it's making +EV decisions whenever possible. You need to understand why you should bet at certain points and check in others.

I have the same problem on my graph.

Is this indicative of any specific leaks? Is it always going to be in the negative? How do various styles affect this statistic? Am I concerning myself too much with it?

Is this indicative of any specific leaks?

You're losing in small to medium pots / folding when you're ahead

Is it always going to be in the negative?

No. Depends on your style of play. I've seen graphs where people's showdown money is barely positive, but they're large winners because their won w/o showdown is huge, this is more common in 6max.

How do various styles affect this statistic?

If your game is centered around making people fold and bluffing a lot, then it will obviously be large. If you're more centered around value betting / inducing bluffs then you'll win more at showdown, its a matter of what you're more comfortable with.

Am I concerning myself too much with it?

Yes and no. Its a good thing to use to understand where you're losing money. However, if you're a winning player thats all that matters right?

Sigh, at most of you ppl with a difference larger then 5% for VPIP and PRF. I don't see its profitable to play that way. I play 15/11 while 24 tabling, with decent results when I dont tilt. I tilt too much while 24 tabling its rather funny.

I just started using Realtime (shareware for stats) and I'm still having some difficulty interpreting my stats as to how I should change my game. This is all tourney play, so dollars won doesn't count unless I cash (which I am not doing enough).



I think I need to play fewer hands from EP, and raise if I am willing to limp-call, and I should be more aggro on the flop. I suspect my ag on the river is costing me and that I am wa/wb at least 1/2 the time.

What else am I missing in looking at these stats?

Thanks

Jinmoon pretty much hit the nail on the head with his reply but here's my thoughts anyway.



Your problay folding to often or not being very agressive and semi/bluffing very little. Double barreling isnt done very often. For example you have AK and you raise preflop miss the flop, c-bet I'd say your nearly always c/f the turn.


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Is it always going to be in the negative?

It will be rare to find someone who play FR to have a large profit from non-showdown pots. 6max would be different though.


I am not actually 100% sure of this, but at a guess I'd say the tighter you are the higher your won money without Sd should be as people will repect you for having a hand more often.

Over 13k hands I am only up a buy-in according to my graph so it's not something I'd be worrying to much over. But one thing that defenitly struck me with Diggers graph was that he was down 6buy-ins in just 6k hands. While it is a very small sample it's just something I'd keep and eye on.

As you move up you will be easy to exploit and people will realise you only bet when you have a hand.

Teddie - My sklansky dollars vs won at showdown is widening now after 20k hands and whilst my won without showdown is flatting it is still now 20 buyins

Now I am up 16 buyins at 4bb so its not like i am losing money but I obv have some pretty major leaks that might get me to 6-8bb that can be easily rectified with some plugging.
Do you think that if i can lose less money without showdown then I will close the gap between the green line and the blue line?
Does it mean I am folding too much my blinds or not raising enough when in front? So I might be too comfortable putting them on hands and know I am in front and see the river when I should be Raising his range??
Or could it be in the 3bet calling too much and not 4betting enough or folding?calling in 3 bet pots to c-bets instead of raising?
I know its my passivity somewhere but hard to get a handle of which stats to look at and where to apply it - I am relatively new at PT bear that in mind

Post up your agression factor by street and your position stats. It will help with seeing where you could be going wrong.

My turn to do one of these then. I've been playing FR NL for a while now and feel like I've gotten used to ut and pretty much established I'm a winning player. Due to RL expenses I'm doing regular cashouts so I haven't been able to build my roll as much as I'd like, but this time I'm trying to move up to NL50 permanently so I thought a stat checkup could be in order.

Starting with the graph of all my NL25 FR play at Full Tilt this year:



I started out playing a bit too weak/tight, but at around hand 60k I moved to stars for some NL10 play and at the same time I changed my game a bit to become more aggressive in position, raising more limpers and so on. When I came back to FT I kept that up and though I'm most likely running a bit hot I'd like to think that changing up my play is what increased my winrate.

Stats from my short stay at Stars (where I incidently am back yet again to rebuild at NL10):



And here are the stats and position numbers from my play at Full Tilt:





Leaks that I suspect I have are probably the standard weak/tight nit ones. I give up pretty easy if my cbets are called or raised, tend to fold rather than call down when I'm unsure where I'm at and so on. Any other obvious leaks that stand out? Are any of my numbers way off?

All play above is 16-tabling btw and I feel that the number of tables helps me to avoid tilt alot which is obviously great. I also try to table select as much as possible and switch tables when they dry up. Having 40+ different HH files after a longer session is not uncommon these days.

So, do you guys think I can have a shot at NL50 or should I fine tune some more before moving up? Any input is much appreciated!

Not sure if that is the report you wanted but there u go teddie

Go to the postions tab and post up and picture of that aswell.

oh boy, so I hope im not including too much information here.
but this is 25nl FR 4tables...
only 12khands, i kniow its small but is this an okay sample size to help fix leaks and what not?
One thing I think is a leak is that I have trouble with higher PP, JJ-QQ... and I dont think I fold them enough to sets and two pair and KK+

also any tips on adding more tables? i currently have 20BI for 50nl but would like to be beating 25nl playing 8+tbles, although I may just jump up to 50nl and play 4tbles then add more at 50nl havent decided... any advice is appreciated

Hey guys I have just finished my first 15k hands for June and have been getting a little cold decked. Beginning to question my game a bit so I was hoping someone could analyze my stats and give me some feedback on what I need to iimprove on. For one thing I am somehow negative overall with all the straights I have had Some of this is tilt but still, <3 variance I hope..








Thanks for taking a look

Edit: Next time I will resize lol

im not very good with this mert, but
your calling too much int he small bilnd... Also you should never be limping from UTG
and you could also probably loosen up in the high jack some more, since that is late position... you have a huge jump from your MP vpip/pfr compared to your lp vpip/pfr

Hey wems,

You are positionally aware, but I would be even moreso. For example your PFR is 13 UTG and 17 OTB. I'm not crushing the games, but I'm more like 6/5 UTG and 27/22 OTB. If you're raising 13% of your range UTG, I think that's just too much. I'm raising my Pocket Pairs, AQo+, and AJs+, and some people think even that is too much.

On the button, you should be playing your opponents much more than your cards. I'm not saying to raise with complete trash, but the strength of your cards is just something to fall back on, not something which you should base your raise on.

And I would recommend adding more tables rather than moving up. It's not nearly as hard as moving up, doesn't effect variance, and if you're going to multitable eventually, it's much better to learn at lower limits. It's an awesome way to put in volume. I went from 4 to 16 at NL25, and I couldn't be happier. Not to say that I ALWAYS play 16 tables now, but I'm comfortable doing so.