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06-28-2014 , 12:44 AM
888 Poker - $0.20 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: $20.00 (VPIP: 5.22, PFR: 4.48, 3Bet Preflop: 1.89, Hands: 136)
MP+2: $24.07 (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 13)
CO: $37.91 (VPIP: 92.31, PFR: 23.08, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 13)
BTN: $19.03 (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: $22.60 (VPIP: 14.48, PFR: 7.59, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 146)
BB: $34.03 (VPIP: 47.22, PFR: 0.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 109)
UTG: $17.36 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
Hero (UTG+1): $20.00
MP: $22.05 (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.30) Hero has A Q

fold, Hero raises to $0.60, MP calls $0.60, fold, fold, CO calls $0.60, fold, fold, BB calls $0.40

Flop: ($2.50, 4 players) 6 3 T
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, fold, CO raises to $3.00, fold, Hero raises to $8.00, CO calls $5.00

Turn: ($18.50, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $11.40 and is all in, CO calls $11.40

River: ($41.30, 2 players) 5


Had already played 2 hands against villain, one where he limped in EP, another player limped, I raised with JJ and he called and then check folded the JT2ddx flop. Probably about 4 hands later or so the same situation came where he limped UTG, another player limped behind, I Isod ATo from the CO (Got 4 callers), Cbet a KQ2 flop and check folded the turn (against the BTN). Notes say that he limp called J2o PF so whilst the sample size is SOOPER small, I'm expecting that he's probably going to be having a lot of les mis hands.

OTF when I get raised in the game I thought his range was something like: a few 6's, all Tens, Two Pair, Sets, FD's, and a straight draws too - this looks like: (TT,66,22,ATs,A6s,KTs,QTs,JTs,T2s+,62s,KdJd,QdJd,9 d8d,9d7d,A6o,T3o+,97o+) which I am a slight favourite against . In the game I thought that I could 3bet the flop and shove all turns because he was going to be calling the flop raise REALLY wide and as well as having some fold equity, I would be ahead (equity wise) on most flops - I think this was a mistake looking back, I probably should have just called flop and turn. As soon as I played the hand though it sorta kinda felt really spewy.

Anwyay, questions here are:
- I think the best line looking back is call flop and check call turn (given that we're almost 40% OTT) and hope to get there - this guy probably isn't folding most of his pairs to a BIG river bet, even if the FD gets there - Does this sound right?

- Given how I've played the hand (just clicking buttons everywhere and what not) , Is shoving the turn better than check calling? At the time I thought it was because we might have some fold equity on our turn shove but against this guy in particular, do we really? Also given the size of the pot and the range I've given him I can't fold if he shoves the turn - Should I be giving him a tighter range?
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06-28-2014 , 01:18 AM
Just realised that check calling turn is probably better than shoving because I don't think I have any fold equity and at least if I check call I keep his bluffs in (if there are any). So this hand was clearly just badly played IMO, but will see what the comments are.
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06-28-2014 , 01:19 AM
his vpip is very uncommon even over 13 hands. Anyhow flop is a call and turn is a check/call. Turn as played I would probably check as some percentage of the time he will check, fail to valuebet a top pair hand, or not shove all in. I think you get called a ton when you shove.

And yeah, I'd say 3bet bluffing a fish whose this bad on the flop, even with this much equity, is a bad idea. Just hit your hand and valuebet, he'll call you anyways.
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06-28-2014 , 01:39 AM
1st of all hello, I guess we play same stakes/site, nice to meet ya! 2nd, I guess you can imagine that on that 4c OTT you really have like 0 FE against any villain, and can't expect him to fold any hands that beat you here, so my guess is that you should prolly shove because this way you balance your plays with the situations when you have sets, over pairs.(as played) Agreed, you should just call the flop and hit/broke rather than 3betting, don't wanna be flippin with the whale
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