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[*COINFLIPS*]

13/11 over 66

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($25.10)
BB ($43.50)
UTG ($31.53)
UTG+1 ($26.26)
UTG+2 ($25.51)
MP1 ($55.78)
MP2 ($78.85)
CO ($19.74)
Hero ($37.57)

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, fold, fold, MP1 raises to $1, fold, fold, Hero calls $1, fold, fold

FLOP ($2.35) J 9 5

MP1 bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

TURN ($5.35) J 9 5 K

MP1 bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

RIVER ($12.35) J 9 5 K 3

MP1 checks, Hero bets $5.80, MP1 raises to $17.50, Hero folds

MP1 wins $22.76

[pokerarb]

Looks fine, if you are not as deep consider raising cbet

Why do you bet 5.8 OTR, what hands are you targeting?

Edit: given your response below, I think you should bet smaller.

[*COINFLIPS*]

Jx, TT, mostly. i know the bet sizing looks like less than half pot, but it was right around half. i dont know why or how this happens but the pot size that gets displayed on FT while playing is always slightly less than the pot size displayed in the converted HH.

[pokerarb]

Originally Posted by *COINFLIPS*

18/10 over 500 hands.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($30.57)
BB ($35.03)
UTG ($33.28)
UTG+1 ($24.65)
UTG+2 ($25.35)
Hero ($25)
MP2 ($29.18)
CO ($17.15)
BTN ($12.50)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.40, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $1.65

FLOP ($5.15) A 2 Q

UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

TURN ($5.15) A 2 Q 2

UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($5.15) A 2 Q 2 5

UTG+2 bets $9.30, Hero folds

UTG+2 wins $4.90

i don't get his overbet.

I usually don't advocate this type of reasoning. But in this spot, just cbet to make the hand way way easier to play. He's going to be c'fing so much junk he's set mining with and we don't want to turn our hand face up by checking.

Ie Betting: +EV, Checking: ???, therefore: bet

[andyhai]

Originally Posted by *COINFLIPS*

18/10 over 500 hands.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.25(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($30.57)
BB ($35.03)
UTG ($33.28)
UTG+1 ($24.65)
UTG+2 ($25.35)
Hero ($25)
MP2 ($29.18)
CO ($17.15)
BTN ($12.50)

Dealt to Hero K K

fold, fold, UTG+2 raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2.40, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, UTG+2 calls $1.65

FLOP ($5.15) A 2 Q

UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

TURN ($5.15) A 2 Q 2

UTG+2 checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($5.15) A 2 Q 2 5

UTG+2 bets $9.30, Hero folds

UTG+2 wins $4.90

i don't get his overbet.

i think we should b/f like 2.50 OTF and 4.50 OTT
turn might be a touch too thin idk but def bet flop imho, make him fold out his equity with JT/88/FD etc, or else call with unfavourable odds and no IO
prolly get at least one street out of Qx too

[DonkDonkDonkDonk]

Villain was 15/14 with a 12.5% 3b.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $73.45
UTG+1: $20.75
UTG+2: $31.30
MP1: $53.05
MP2: $51.85
Hero (CO): $54.25
BTN: $35.95
SB: $50.00
BB: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 6 4
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) 9 3 5 (2 players)
SB bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($23.50) K (2 players)
SB bets $13, Hero raises to $42.75 all in,

[*COINFLIPS*]

pre: why steal 64s with this guy in the blinds? furthermore, why defend a 3b with 64s? "**** you, i has position" is long term probably just spew; steal wider for value (for a lot of reasons....you can call more 3-bets and you can 4b for value wider), and dump more pretty garbage.

post: eh.....std i suppose. he will likely fold all air, but he's nearly pot committed himself. but if there was ever a spot to semibluff shove, this is it.

[DonkDonkDonkDonk]

Cos I like screwing with people IP in 3b pots, and have been experimenting with calling with these suited cards to float/bluff/hit disguised hands/balance my 3b calling range.

Like I said I am just experimenting, so if I'm wrong I'd be happy to hear why.

[*COINFLIPS*]

i think it's similar to why you don't call with 22 - 55 in this spot. it's very hard to catch a flop you like, you're crushed by his entire value range and practically all of his air range, and even when you flop a pair you hate life.

barring a read that he's one and done in 3-bet pots or will play super straightforward ("3b AK, oh damn you called and the flop is T high, I can't bet, c/f"). also from a theoretical perspective, if you're stealing really wide AND calling 3-bets really wide, your range is pretty weak overall. that's probably a good thing when you have the top of your range, but really crappy when you have a hand like 64s.

edit: All IMO. I'm definitely not an expert in 3b pots.

[DonkDonkDonkDonk]

I've been told I fold to 3bets too much. Certainly my ft3b% is higher than I would want it to be, I realise that 64s is a stretch, but if I am playing back at him on a lot of boards (no matter if I hit) then I don't think it's too bad, I've got a lot of disguised equity and position.

It helps that I've made quads with 75s twice when calling 3bets .

[*COINFLIPS*]

my point is that, much like semibluffing in single raised pots, you should do it when your hand actually has equity when called. 64s isn't going to have very good equity when called. On that board in the HH you posted, a hand like A5 is way better because then you actually have two pair/trips/overcard outs to go with your flush draw. you just aren't going to flop that "huge combo draw" with 64s enough. imo, you just got pretty lucky to hit a flop you actually like.

[raf2389]

Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk

Villain was 15/14 with a 12.5% 3b.

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $73.45
UTG+1: $20.75
UTG+2: $31.30
MP1: $53.05
MP2: $51.85
Hero (CO): $54.25
BTN: $35.95
SB: $50.00
BB: $50.00

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with 6 4
5 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) 9 3 5 (2 players)
SB bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50

Turn: ($23.50) K (2 players)
SB bets $13, Hero raises to $42.75 all in,

Personally I like this play. And yes, while your call here is behind his value and air range, the reason why you call with these types of hands is to bluff on a later street most of the time. I like the shove on the turn better than the raise on the flop because you're never gonna get him off of an overpair in a 3bet pot with a raise on the flop and you lose all of the equity on your hand.

I've been doing some similar things in position with similar hands (with varied success ). The trick is to make sure this guy won't call you super light. I personally like doing this to super aggro players and really really nitty players, so you just have to make sure that the hand you're repping is ahead of his calling range OTT IMO

[andyhai]

I am far from expert in this area, but aren't hug card hands better to do this with, since they will more often flop outs? (Ie overcards happen with AQ more often than draws happen with 64s)

[andyhai]

^^^Big cards, not 'hug cards,' FMphone :/

[DonkDonkDonkDonk]

I would call AQ because I think it is ahead of his range, but too weak to 4b get it in. I want to hit top pair and call it off.

Here I just want to screw with him in position.