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09-30-2014 , 07:13 PM
    Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #31171011

    BTN: $2 (100 bb)
    SB: $0.76 (38 bb)
    BB: $1.76 (88 bb)
    Hero (UTG+1): $4.24 (212 bb)
    UTG+2: $2.39 (119.5 bb)
    MP1: $2.16 (108 bb)
    MP2: $1.38 (69 bb)
    MP3: $2.20 (110 bb)
    CO: $0.66 (33 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J Q
    Hero raises to $0.06, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.16, 4 folds, BB calls $0.14, Hero calls $0.10

    Flop: ($0.49) 6 K T (3 players)
    BB bets $0.32, Hero raises to $4.08 and is all-in, MP2 folds, BB calls $1.28 and is all-in

    Turn: ($3.69) 8 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($3.69) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $3.69 pot ($0.13 rake)
    Final Board: 6 K T 8 3
    BB showed K A and won $3.56 ($1.80 net)
    Hero showed J Q and lost (-$1.76 net)
    MP2 mucked and lost (-$0.16 net)



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    Hey!
    I played this Hand today. Usually I dont open QJs UTG but I like to balance my game a bit, so I do it rarely. I got a small 3bet from a nitty reg and when BB called, I called too. The Flop looks pretty good to me. When Player3 donkbets I Put him on 66,TT,Kx (had a small samplesize on him, only < 10 hands), although i think Kx has the highest probabilty, because He would probably check raise sets, as The Aggressor would cbet a big part of his range here. after his donkbet he had $1.22 left which commits him when i call the flop, and I have an ugly decision if none of my draws arrive on the turn. So I decided to go All-In directly, because I have a bit of FE, and +EV versus his range. I also guess Aggressor only calls with KK here, which is very unpropable, as there are many Kings in villain1's range.

    What do you think?
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    09-30-2014 , 07:52 PM
    Definitely a meh open with QJs UTG; not much sense in balancing a 2NL utg open range imo, fold pre. Other than that, this is super standard. You are 40% vs a range of only sets, so no hand has you crushed. Against AK with no you're actually a 52% favorite. You have good equity vs any hand so there's nothing wrong with gii, esp. since you're a slight favorite a lot of the time, and the dead money compensates you for the times when you're behind.
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    09-30-2014 , 07:57 PM
    yeah as I said I do this very rarely. I have to admit it was the last hand before session ends and it looked so beautiful will fix this leak ;D so I'm right when I say calling is no option there? thanks
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    09-30-2014 , 08:01 PM
    Yea, calling bad. Shoving good. And if you open light every now and again, it's not a huge deal. There are definitely bigger leaks. If you play better than your opponents, you should be opening light with high frequency in LP, but UTG is spewy imo.
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    10-02-2014 , 12:15 PM
    Would you be ever shoving that flop w/ a strong made hand?
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    10-02-2014 , 12:34 PM
    I think you can shove here for value. What sucks about merely raising is it can put you in a bad spot with an awkward stack size and can prevent you from stacking V. And I don't think you need a 'balanced' flop over jamming range. But if you feel opponents are catching on, you can always play your two pairs and sets the same way occasionally
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    10-02-2014 , 08:30 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tilty_McDonkawhirl
    Definitely a meh open with QJs UTG; not much sense in balancing a 2NL utg open range imo, fold pre.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Tilty_McDonkawhirl
    And if you open light every now and again, it's not a huge deal.
    QJs is not meh, nor is it a light open. It's completely standard if you don't suck postflop.

    Doing things for balance is just an excuse to spew until you reach 200+.
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    10-03-2014 , 04:56 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by .isolated
    QJs is not meh, nor is it a light open. It's completely standard if you don't suck postflop.
    UTG i consider it a light open. Obviously MP or after it's standard. It's a strong drawing hand and plays well multiway ip, but when you're oop facing either a 3b or get called by someone who doesn't doesn't always fold to your predictable abC-bet when the board bricks, you're usually gonna be in a spot where you can't do anything right. Unless you usually hit your backdoor 3rd nut two pair draw / backdoor sf draw
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    10-03-2014 , 07:52 PM
    Quote:
    but when you're oop facing either a 3b or get called by someone who doesn't doesn't always fold to your predictable abC-bet when the board bricks
    omg poker after the flop?!?! scary stuff.
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    10-03-2014 , 08:51 PM
    In general, most people flatting us pre don't like to fold post and most flops miss our hand. Idk I'm not trying to make a big deal about it, I just usually don't open QJs from first two positions. I think it's light, but if you are stellar post flop and it's profitable then go for it
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    10-03-2014 , 11:43 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KaiPhone
    Usually I dont open QJs UTG but I like to balance my game a bit, so I do it rarely.
    I like to add, don't use the word "balance" in this context. This is not "balance". You're widening your range. And QJs is a standard open from UTG.
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    10-04-2014 , 07:45 PM
    i disagree on the standard open thing from utg with qjo playing nl2
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    10-04-2014 , 09:31 PM
    Rofl, even more so if it's 2nl you should be opening this hand, as you're up against braindead regs and whales.

    Get pokerstove and see postflop how you do against some hands/ranges. Prefer a 3x over a jam.
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