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Thanks a lot for posting this Berge. There were very few spots where I would have taken a different line, so I don't have any negative comments. I will give some more thoughts a bit later on tonight when I get home.

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Could you please explain your reasoning on this point. I'm not sure I understand.
thanks

+1.

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10-17-2008 , 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by acorscadden

thanks for the vid Berge

Could you please explain your reasoning on this point. I'm not sure I understand.

thanks

His steal % was pretty high so he's not guranteed to stack off on any 7xx flop and since we are OOP is makes it even harder to set mine. so I dont know if he is getting good enough odds/3betting might be more +ev. Obviously as Berge said we canwith call/call flop and hope he slows down or c/r missed flops as other ways of playing or sevens. But against a more agressive player with position I'd rather try and take it down pre or just fold it OOP.

I think if Berge was in the CO/BTN and it was a raise from the HJ then flatting is completely standard.

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10-17-2008 , 04:14 PM

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I won't speak for Teddy, but his point is that our opponent's range is too wide to expect to get a large portion of his stack often when we do make our set.

Where I differ with him slightly is that I feel 77 has enough value on its own to actually hold up from time to time (ie why I check-called one street there) and make defending profitable.

I would totally agree if I held 22.

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10-17-2008 , 04:20 PM

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web page doesnt work for me ... after i enter the 3 letter code the next page wont open. anybody same probl. ?

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10-17-2008 , 04:58 PM

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thanks teddie and berge....I get it now

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10-17-2008 , 07:28 PM

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Thanks berge, very nice vid.

Pretty instructive for me--what I learned from it was to give even bad villians credit in some situations and not trying to push it too far.

Excellent audio/video quality btw, even though--for some reason--the vid crashed my x-server at the moment the video concluded.

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10-17-2008 , 09:10 PM

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yea it crashed VLC for me right at the end too

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10-18-2008 , 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Berge20

I'm d/ling the vid now, but wanted to comment on this since it's something I've been thinking a lot about lately. 77/88 are those weird hands where I'm not sure what I like doing better out of the blinds vs a heavy steal (generally I 50/50 with 77/88), but haven't been doing it long enough to really know. 99 and TT definitely are good enough to call with here more often (for value). I'll know/say more when I watch the vid.

Thanks for making!

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10-18-2008 , 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RapidEvolution

Thanks for making!

I think TT 99 are more annoying, your not sure if you should 3bet them cause your not sure if you get called by worse. Most of the time it feels better to flat call them and usually extract more post flop.

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10-18-2008 , 07:05 AM

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Great vid berge.

The video quality was brilliant and definately worth the larger download. I wish other vid makers would follow that lead and ramp up the quality, it makes watching the video a much more pleasant experience.

I will be snap downloading any future videos you make for sure.

gj

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10-18-2008 , 07:12 AM

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How come you folded AJo and AJs early position, but would open raise with 22 in the same position? If this is really elementary poker then sorry, but I don't see why you're folding one marginal hand but then raising another that you're just setmining OOP with and will have to fold to anyone's 3bet.

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10-18-2008 , 07:52 AM

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The video quality was brilliant and definately worth the larger download. I wish other vid makers would follow that lead and ramp up the quality, it makes watching the video a much more pleasant experience.

Unfortunately Camtasia seems to need a lot of RAM to work really smooth high quality. I just upgraded to 2 GB and it's nowhere like this one.

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10-23-2008 , 09:03 AM

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At 52:28, how much value to we get by folding out overcards? just seems that when we bet in these spots we're gettin called by better hands most of the time.

its where a 14/2 40bb stack opens LP and we call with 99. flop comes 654r, checked to us.

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10-23-2008 , 03:27 PM

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I'd need to go back and check the details there, but I think we will get some value from hands like that have a draw+overs (or pair+draw) and even overs sometimes. Plus there's the protection against those hands.

Any 2,3,7,8,T-A is going to freeze me here (to varying degrees) on the turn and I just would prefer betting there.

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10-23-2008 , 03:29 PM

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Let me sneak back tonight and check it out. It may have been table composition, but I do think that 22 and AJ are very different hands. They both may be "marginal" in EP, but that doesn't make them the same.

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10-23-2008 , 03:49 PM

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Domination issues, 22 is never dominated except in the case of set over set and thats a fair amount more rare then TP. Well that's the reason I would not raise/open AJo but raise 22 in EP.

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10-24-2008 , 05:08 PM

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BTW Berge, you inspired me:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...-video-327967/

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10-24-2008 , 05:26 PM

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Domination issues, 22 is never dominated except in the case of set over set and thats a fair amount more rare then TP. Well that's the reason I would not raise/open AJo but raise 22 in EP.

So we are far less likely to make major post flop errors with 22 OOP, as opposed to when we hold AJ.

Nice Jasons, I'll see if I can check it out soon. Even if not, I think you'll find that forcing yourself to walk through your thinking process will be VERY enlightening.

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10-24-2008 , 05:41 PM

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Nice Jasons, I'll see if I can check it out soon. Even if not, I think you'll find that forcing yourself to walk through your thinking process will be VERY enlightening.

The exact reason I made a video.

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