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Old 07-06-2012, 05:40 PM   #1
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NL5 Zoom AKo 3-way IP vs low c-bet

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($5)
SB ($6.77)
BB ($6.08)
UTG ($8.04)
UTG+1 ($3.81)
MP1 ($4.10)
MP2 ($5.24)
Hero (MP3) ($5)
CO ($2.48)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A, K
UTG bets $0.15, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold, Button calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.52) Q, 2, 5 (3 players)
UTG bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, Button calls $0.20

Turn: ($1.12) 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $0.53, 1 fold, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.12

UTG is 20/12, 88%c-betflop, 40%c-betturn, 39%agg, 14%wtsd. 211 hands

BTN is 12/7 46% agg 120 hands

Pf I choose to just call since I'm semi-late positioned, so there's a fine chance that it will be heads up, which is good for AKo I think. While 3-betting, will proberly just fold anything worse.
Also it seems like he's the type to give up turn if he doesn't have anything, which I expect equals an easy steal, also considered his low WTSD%.

As played: call flop? make tricky raise expecting enough folds?, or just make a tight fold?
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Old 07-06-2012, 06:20 PM   #2
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Re: NL5 Zoom AKo 3-way IP vs low c-bet

just fold the flop
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:09 AM   #3
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Re: NL5 Zoom AKo 3-way IP vs low c-bet

If the button did not call preflop, I would like either a raise on the flop or a call and than a bet on the turn. 3way I think it is better to just fold on the flop.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:44 AM   #4
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Re: NL5 Zoom AKo 3-way IP vs low c-bet

You made a decision pre flop to keep the pot size manageable against his UTG raising range because you felt that raising would allow him to play perfectly. I fully agree with this.

However, post flop, we decided to get creative in a spot where it isnt necessary. You say that it is a "tight fold", I think this is pretty misguided. It is a fundamentally solid fold. We are playing the micros and learning how to improve our game. We need to play fundamentally sound poker and capitalize on peoples weaknesses. That is often just by playing ABC poker
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Old 07-07-2012, 02:01 PM   #5
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Re: NL5 Zoom AKo 3-way IP vs low c-bet

utg is in there with load of crap (20/12) unless you have specific position stats (eg raise first in from ep 6%) and is passive (gap between vpip/pfr is huge) he will call your 3 bet with worse. you are just inviting people to call behind you with speculative hands imo

why not 3bet pre? fold flop as played
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:25 PM   #6
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Re: NL5 Zoom AKo 3-way IP vs low c-bet

HU I can see the point in floating... MW, I just fold flop

I also think flatting pre is perfectly fine. At least your not auto 3betting here because "lolz, I haz AK"
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:39 PM   #7
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Re: NL5 Zoom AKo 3-way IP vs low c-bet

not heads up button, sb, bb still to call not thinking 'lolz i have ak' more thinking 'dont want to play multiway pot possibly oop with ak and dont want to backraise with ak lolz'
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:57 PM   #8
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^^edit to above thought gutshotdan was referring to pre not flop hu sorry misread your point - each to their own, some call pre some 3b
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:19 PM   #9
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Re: NL5 Zoom AKo 3-way IP vs low c-bet

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utg is in there with load of crap (20/12) unless you have specific position stats (eg raise first in from ep 6%) and is passive (gap between vpip/pfr is huge) he will call your 3 bet with worse. you are just inviting people to call behind you with speculative hands imo

why not 3bet pre? fold flop as played
Id be careful in stating that he is in there with a load of crap. He has only played 211 hands which is an lol sample. Sure 20/12 looks loose passive but that would make me assume that his raising range is tighter simply because he has shown a propensity to limp and therefore is likely limping his weaker hands UTG.
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