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02-11-2017 , 09:15 PM
It would be great to have your opinion about the top 4 hands where I lost the most in the last session. I'll leave my own comments for later.

Hand #1

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 184 BB (VPIP: 29.09, PFR: 23.64, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 56)
Hero (SB): 154 BB
BB: 420.4 BB (VPIP: 14.62, PFR: 6.92, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 131)
UTG: 103 BB (VPIP: 9.68, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
UTG+1: 133.8 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 16.02, 3Bet Preflop: 10.39, Hands: 183)
MP: 101.2 BB (VPIP: 17.33, PFR: 10.67, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 77)
MP+1: 121 BB (VPIP: 16.97, PFR: 12.41, 3Bet Preflop: 4.20, Hands: 736)
MP+2: 50.2 BB (VPIP: 8.16, PFR: 6.12, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 49)
CO: 19.6 BB (VPIP: 37.17, PFR: 5.31, 3Bet Preflop: 1.67, Hands: 113)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 6 A

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, BTN calls 5 BB

Flop: (17 BB, 2 players) 6 Q A
Hero bets 13 BB, BTN calls 13 BB

Turn: (43 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 33 BB, BTN raises to 66 BB, Hero calls 33 BB

River: (175 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 53 BB, Hero calls 53 BB


Hand #2

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 48.8 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 5)
SB: 126 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 8.87, 3Bet Preflop: 2.80, Hands: 583)
BB: 133 BB (VPIP: 17.80, PFR: 14.14, 3Bet Preflop: 3.03, Hands: 191)
UTG: 99 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
UTG+1: 186.6 BB (VPIP: 17.75, PFR: 12.43, 3Bet Preflop: 3.73, Hands: 342)
Hero (MP): 101.4 BB
MP+1: 111.2 BB (VPIP: 15.44, PFR: 10.29, 3Bet Preflop: 4.08, Hands: 140)
MP+2: 158.8 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 18)
CO: 154.2 BB (VPIP: 37.89, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 95)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 4 4

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 8.2 BB, Hero calls 5.6 BB

Flop: (16.8 BB, 2 players) J T 4
BB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (36.8 BB, 2 players) Q
BB bets 23.4 BB, Hero raises to 70 BB, BB raises to 114.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 13.2 BB and is all-in

River: (203.2 BB, 2 players) 9


Hand #3

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 81.2 BB (VPIP: 19.21, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 9.21, Hands: 210)
SB: 221.4 BB (VPIP: 20.83, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
BB: 131.4 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 104 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG+1: 134.8 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 166.6 BB (VPIP: 13.22, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 3.77, Hands: 123)
MP+1: 101.2 BB (VPIP: 18.45, PFR: 15.95, 3Bet Preflop: 9.80, Hands: 235)
Hero (MP+2): 167.6 BB
CO: 108 BB (VPIP: 38.89, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.6 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 1.6 BB

Flop: (5.6 BB, 2 players) 9 K T
BB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB

Turn: (15.6 BB, 2 players) 7
BB checks, Hero bets 12 BB, BB calls 12 BB

River: (39.6 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 16 BB, Hero raises to 40 BB, BB calls 24 BB


Hand #4

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 114.2 BB (VPIP: 10.57, PFR: 6.94, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 249)
SB: 102.6 BB (VPIP: 16.98, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 54)
BB: 171.4 BB (VPIP: 13.79, PFR: 8.05, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 87)
UTG: 112.6 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 19.61, 3Bet Preflop: 19.05, Hands: 51)
UTG+1: 103.6 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP: 110.2 BB (VPIP: 9.80, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
MP+1: 49.2 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+2: 199.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
Hero (CO): 225.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, MP raises to 2.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.4 BB, BTN calls 2.4 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.6 BB, 3 players) 6 4 Q
MP checks, Hero bets 6.6 BB, BTN calls 6.6 BB, fold

Turn: (21.8 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 13.8 BB, BTN calls 13.8 BB

River: (49.4 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 31.2 BB, BTN raises to 91.4 BB and is all-in, fold,
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02-12-2017 , 12:07 AM
Hand 1, I didn't think you need to re-steal with A6o, it's fine to flat or even fold. Especially vs a player who doesn't look like he's going to fold much. As played, jamming turn.

Hand 2, Fold to the 3 bet is okay vs someone this tight. As played, call the turn. All of his value hands beat you. It's tough if he jams safe river, in this hand it would be easy fold when the 9 rolls off.

Hand 3, betting turn is okay but checking might be better. It's going to be hard to get 3 streets of value with a straight when there's three to a flush on the board. When he leads river, raising is terrible. Either he's bluffing and he folds or he's got the flush and he calls and you lose.

Hand 4, x/call turn and go from there.
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02-12-2017 , 05:42 AM
Thanks for the reply. My comments below.

Hand 1: Although these stats don't appear in the hand generated, his attempt to steal and fold to 3-bet percentages were pretty high which to me is a good indication that a re-steal in position can be profitable. Wouldn't re-steal otherwise. Do you not agree with this? Maybe should we get more hands on the opponent before going with this line or maybe we shouldn't re-steal at all here ever at NL5?

Jamming turn seems like a good idea but my reasoning was what could he be raising with? I am probably beat by every hand that calls flop but raises turn, no? However, folding to a min-bet is definitely too weak with 2P. I felt like I was behind at this point in the hand but couldn't get myself to fold here. All three options seemed bad.

Hand 2: Agree that folding to the 3-bet is fine. Actually, it is my default play here. However, the fact that their range is so narrow means that I can limit that range to 88+ and AK mostly. Although that range crushes my hand, it also means that they may go broke with a premium pair especially given that they'll be OOP. I may also be able to take the pot away because my perceived range is also quite strong given that I raised from EP. That, plus their deep stack indicated that this could be a very profitable set mine. Is this reasoning wrong?

I totally agree that raising turn was bad and that folding the river would have been easy. In fact, their range at that moment was pretty much JJ, QQ, KK, AA, AK. Most of these hands beat mine. Given the ugly board, we should probably be trying to go for the cheap showdown. Does this make sense?

Also, I was kicking myself for not raising flop. That is because at that point I might have gotten value from AA and KK and charged AK for the draw (or made it fold). Wouldn't this have been the correct play otf? Slowplaying a set in a drawy board seems to be a mistake despite the fact that JJ and TT were in their range.

Hand 3: Agree with everything you said. My question is, based on what you wrote for two of these hands, do you then advocate that we should be slowing down every time a flush completes? I thought this was not a good approach because their range includes many more hands than just flushes and so we would be missing value against those. It seemed like a risk/reward kind of thing where we'd be risking to be betting into a flush (which only happens a small percentage of the time) but also extracting more value against all the other hands in their range.

As for the river, it WAS terrible. My thinking was that their extremely small bet seemed more like a blocker bet which might have happened with many hands, including lots of K, KT, etc. The plan was to raise/fold. The obvious problem with the raise is what you mentioned that we won't get calls from worse so it's just pointless and unnecessarily risky. Even the K hands that were in their range would most likely fold.

Hand 4: This is again the case where you recommend slowing down when the flush hits. Are we not missing value against most of their range most of the time? If they had AA, KK, JJ, TT, AQ, even a stubborn middle pair, a flush draw with one heart in their hand? We'll occasionally be betting into a flush, but again isn't that a small proportion of the time? It seems that overall, the suggested approach is to play more carefully, maybe even a bit more passively when the flush cards hits. Doesn't this encourage Villain to bet? We are probably calling their bet anyway, no? Note that I am not saying you are wrong, just trying to understand the thought process and fixing any leak here.
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02-12-2017 , 05:50 AM
Although these stats don't appear in the hand generated, his attempt to steal and fold to 3-bet percentages were pretty high which to me is a good indication that a re-steal in position can be profitable. Wouldn't re-steal otherwise. Do you not agree with this?

i disagree with this. A6o is a fold or call here. also, it doesn't become a 3! just because your opponent is a little looser than normal before the flop. there is the rest of your range (are you 3betting A7o A8o etc.) to worry about.

i'd much rather be 3betting A6s too. at least that has some postflop playability.

Last edited by Tuma; 02-12-2017 at 05:58 AM.
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02-12-2017 , 06:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuma
Although these stats don't appear in the hand generated, his attempt to steal and fold to 3-bet percentages were pretty high which to me is a good indication that a re-steal in position can be profitable. Wouldn't re-steal otherwise. Do you not agree with this?

i disagree with this. A6o is a fold or call here. also, it doesn't become a 3! just because your opponent is a little looser than normal before the flop. there is the rest of your range (are you 3betting A7o A8o etc.) to worry about.

i'd much rather be 3betting A6s too. at least that has some postflop playability.
Ok, cool.

So, is the problem 3-betting light in general in this situation or 3-betting light with an offsuit hand? Would you 3-bet light here with A6s+?

Also, you mentioned A6o is a fold or a call. I'd be more inclined towards folding then because playing a weak hand OOP seems like a way to burn chips. How do we play it profitably when we miss? Giving up 100% of the time seems weak and floating OOP isn't that attractive either.
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02-12-2017 , 10:37 AM
IN the first hand is a check-call turn. And check-folfd river
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