PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 7 players

MP: 113.4 BB
CO: 92.4 BB
Hero (BTN): 101 BB
SB: 119.4 BB
BB: 239.4 BB (17/13)
UTG: 68.2 BB
UTG+1: 110.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J A

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.6 BB, fold, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6.4 BB

Flop: (18.4 BB, 2 players) 3 Q A
BB bets 10 BB, Hero calls 10 BB

Turn: (38.4 BB, 2 players) 6
BB bets 24.6 BB, Hero ??

It would be great to know your thoughts about what the turn play should be.

An important piece of information is this Villain had been 3-betting light with all sorts of hands (Axs, any broadway, pretty much any suited cards). That was the only reason for the preflop call in position.

On the flop, I wasn't planning on folding to a single bet not only because Villain could just be c-betting but also because I was ahead of many weaker aces.

On the turn, it was a tricky spot because:
- I wasn't sure that a fold would be the correct play given that Villain could still be value betting a weaker ace or double barreling.
- A call would leave me pretty much pot committed with a pot-sized bet behind.
- A raise (shove) could also be incorrect in case Villain did have a better Ace, set or flush.

I'm happy to call the turn. You also have a good flush draw. Pretty sure I am calling even without the J of spades
I would probably check fold the river a lot of the time though

Interested to hear what other people think

Easy call

So, both of you suggest calling which is fair enough. My question then is, what is the plan for the river?

Check/fold unless a spade comes? That means we will be folding most of the time.

Also, if we were chasing the flush we don't really have the right odds. Additionally, a J-high flush may not be best then.

By the look of things we'll be facing a river bet and will be almost pot committed.

What range do you put Villain on to make calling the correct play?

I actually feel we should just fold turn here because not many people at these stakes are running bluffs here in 3 bet pots with an A on the board, and I doubt he's valuebetting any worse hands here. So it feels like we're calling to hit a flush or a J which we don't really know if we're gonna get paid on if it's even good at all. Call turn to fold river also seems like burning money.

+ 1. Fold turn as played.

Villain makes a re-steal move pre. So to avoid this 50/50 turn spot, I just 4bet-shove pre.

What is his re-steal? I shove if it is 10-15.

Interesting to see that people have different opinions. Probably means it's worth finding out which move is more +EV. We probably need to assign ranges here..

I'd lean more towards folding the turn simply because it seems we will most likely need to fold river and Villain's range is can most likely beat our hand.

What I don't really understand is the argument for 4-bet shoving pre. Are we really going to be shoving pre with AJo? We will only get called by better hands. Even if their steal percentage was extremely high, shouldn't we be light 4-bet/folding or just flatting in position (as played)?

I guess flatting has the disadvantage of facing these tricky spots but still seems better than risking our entire stack by shoving pre.

I'm more inclined to call with AJ because it plays pretty ok against a lot of his 3b steal hands (A-rag, KJ, JT or so). 4betting would just turn it into a bluff and I think AJo is a bit too strong for that. But I have had some succes with light 4betting against the restealers, don't think you need to shove though, just make it 25 bb or so, he'll fold all his worse hands and maybe even some better hands and if he shove you can still fold and feel ok about it imo.

I agree. Light 4-bet/folding pre is better.

This is pure spew please don't start doing this OP.

agreed, 4bet shove pre is disgusting. turn is a clear as day call, and i'm stacking off on most, possibly any river.

I will 4bet to 21bb sometimes, and sometimes flat and play pokers.. also just because villain has been 3 betting light it doesn't mean he is always 3 betting light.. Has anyone 4 bet the villain yet?

At the minute your hand looks like exactly like what you have and villain is still wanting to play for stacks.

How does he play in 3bet pots? Does villain bomb flop and turn all the time? Does he bomb flop check turn etc etc. This would be good to know before making a decision for our stack.