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Old 08-05-2012, 05:36 PM   #1
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NL10 Zoom KJo IP 3-bet pot

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($16.53)
SB ($12.97)
BB ($13.36)
UTG ($10.77)
UTG+1 ($29.61)
MP1 ($10)
MP2 ($3.19)
MP3 ($4.85)
CO ($8.72)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J, K
5 folds, CO bets $0.30, Hero raises $0.90, 2 folds, CO calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 4, 9, J (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $1.30, CO raises $3, Hero raises $9.60, CO calls $4.82 (All-In)

Turn: ($17.59) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($17.59) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $17.59

Villain is 22/15 50%agg 67%steal 29%wtsd 0%3bet 0%ft3-bet(0/1) 46 hands

I expect KJo to be a fine hand to 3-bet preflop against him, SB was a nit with 1,7% 3bet, and bb was a 28/13 fish. So nothing to worry about there.

Not sure about flop.
I don't love to c-bet here, because I know what happened will happen a lot, getting a check-raise, but checking on such a wet board would also be bad.
I felt it would be nitty to fold vs such an aggresive opponent. While I'm not happy about getting it in either.
I think he checkraises that flop with almost all kind of draws, and maybe bluffraises with air too, and of course sets+overpairs.

Is my shove too loose?
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:47 PM   #2
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Re: NL10 Zoom KJo IP 3-bet pot

Im not sure 46 hands is enough to know we can 3bet this villain for value with KJo. I also feel the hand is too strong to 3bet as a bluff so I think I prefer a call pre hoping the BB comes along knowing we are ahead of both players ranges and will have good position.

As played I think cbet is good but if I could count the number of times I get raised in a 3bet pot by a bluff or draw compared to the times I get raised by a hand that usually crushes me it would be heavily weighted on the side of big hands.

In shoving against his raise you let him play pretty well against you, you force him to call with his big hands and get him to fold his bluffs(if he has any) that said though I doubt it matters because you likely have no fold equity and if we call hes just shoving the rest on the turn anyway.

I think the problem on this one starts pre though.
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Old 08-05-2012, 07:44 PM   #3
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Re: NL10 Zoom KJo IP 3-bet pot

Thanks for answer, and I guess you're right about the preflop action, I just tend to prefer 3-bet > call, but with the bb being a fish likely to call with worse oop, I also see call as superior.

As played I really thought it was a close decision, because I felt sure to get action a lot of the time on a flop like this, that doesn't hit my range too well, while he has stats indicating his both aggresive and a frequent stealer. But as he only had 87bb's, I figured he would never fold any draw here, while I also believe he will check-raise them like 90% of the time here. And I guess he has some bluffs that will just be folded.

But looking at it again, I guess it should just be folded against his check-raise.
I'm not sure if I should c-bet against him, because it's such a good flop for him to check-raise. Maybe check, and call his turn bet on a blank turncard, or bet for value if he checks again.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:22 PM   #4
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Re: NL10 Zoom KJo IP 3-bet pot

Really don't think KJ is a good hand to 3bet here. We have position and decent postflop playability against a wide (CO) opening range, and by 3betting we neither fold better nor get called by worse, so we can't maximise EV either for value or as a bluff here.
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:01 AM   #5
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Re: NL10 Zoom KJo IP 3-bet pot

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I'm not sure if I should c-bet against him, because it's such a good flop for him to check-raise.
Although you might think that, most players will not be thinking that at this level, they will simply be playing their cards.
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:35 AM   #6
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Re: NL10 Zoom KJo IP 3-bet pot

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if I could count the number of times I get raised in a 3bet pot by a bluff or draw compared to the times I get raised by a hand that usually crushes me it would be heavily weighted on the side of big hands.
THIS.

I hardly ever see people bluffing at the micros, they simply have no need to because enough people pay off their big hands anyway since their opponents try to put them on a bluff in their own heads in order to justify a poor call. They like to think ''Well, he had the nuts this time but what is the chance of that, 9 times out of 10 in this spot he is bluffing so my play is +EV in the long run.''

The other thing people have got to realise is that most of your opponents have only a small sample of hands on you since the player pool is so large, hence they are not going to be trying to heave their whole stack into the middle on a big bluff, unless they know you well enough to be sure that you will fold middle pair or top pair etc.

Don't be one of their silly opponents that tells themselves that the other guy is bluffing and that they should call.

Just don't do it.
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