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Old 06-27-2012, 03:29 PM   #1
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NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

Poker Stars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($10.25)
SB ($4.17)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($9.17)
UTG+1 ($21.56)
MP1 ($10.48)
MP2 ($11.01)
MP3 ($5)
CO ($10.15)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 2
3 folds, MP2 bets $0.30, 2 folds, Button calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) A, 7, Q (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.40, 1 fold

Total pot: $0.75

MP3 was 22/13 45%agg 100%flop+turnc-bet(1/1) (33 hands)
BTN was 25/19 (16 hands)

So do you call here?
I consider to call, because I believe the value from hitting nutflush is pretty fine in multiwaypots against at least one player who looks fishy.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:47 PM   #2
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Re: NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

With more info, a squeeze could be good. Fold is perfectly reasonable though.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:02 PM   #3
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Re: NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

My general thought is just that against fishy players, you wan't to keep the pot low pf unless you actually got a strong hand. And then get the value post-flop the times you hit good.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:16 PM   #4
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Re: NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

Fold > squeeze > call.

Calling and playing a small suited ace oop is the worst decision here imo. Even if you hit, you will unlikely be paid off enough of the time to make it profitable.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:23 PM   #5
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Re: NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

i squeeze in this spot most of the time
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:34 PM   #6
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Re: NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

Interesting that you talk about squeezing, wasn't something I would had considered. What's your way of playing postflop when called, frequent c-bet?(I know it depends on board, but I would just give up on most boards I don't hit, and not even be too thrilled about c-betting Axx board more than just the flop, that's why I don't squeeze with this type of hand I guess)
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:40 PM   #7
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Re: NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

That's really too general and I can spend hours writing about it but basically think of what your opponents range is for calling your 3bet (Maybe some mid PP, maybe KQ, maybe some AJ-AQ type hands) think about what your range for 3betting looks like to your opponent (obv depends if your opponent is a thinking player) and then attack the boards that miss his range, hit your range harder, miss both your ranges etc..Betting Kxx is always good since it's an over to all his PP and really just hits KQ. You obviously have to be cautious on Axx, there is value to be had pretty much on one street vs something like TT but you def want to avoid value owning yourself by barreling into stronger aces.

We are basically 3betting here to try and pick up the dead money in the pot and we are using this hand to do it for several reasons such as it being a bit too weak to call and play oop, having a blocker to AA/AK,AQ etc..,and having a bunch of good flops we can barrel (and two broadways we have a bdsd, any two tone board we can try to rep flushes/have fds sometimes, and board with a 3,4,5 we have a bdsd, on a lot of boards we flop a bdfd) so we have lots of opportunities to bet multiple streets.

And yes, I probably would not squeeze here vs a fish because they call too often and I'm not looking to play postflop that often here, it's just nice that when we do we have a decent hand. These guys are fine though. 22/13 is fishy but it's a small enough sample than it's not very meaningful and the other guy looks reggy enough himself.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:51 PM   #8
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Re: NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

thanks for answer, very useful!
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Old 06-27-2012, 08:40 PM   #9
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Re: NL10 Zoom A2s oop 3-way pf - call?

You are correct that hitting the NF has value against fishy players, but much of that value is lost being out of position.

You'll of course flop a flush draw much more often than a flush, and playing draws out of position is really hard. You can't control the pot size and you can get raised off the draw. You also win the minimum when you hit (because you donk river and everyone folds, or you check river and they check behind).

If you treat calling a 3x+ raise from the BB with the same range that you would open with UTG, you'll end up pretty tight, and you'll plug a big leak.
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