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03-26-2017 , 03:53 AM
how would you play this differently?

really hard to put villain in 2x combos.



    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37689469

    BTN: $10 (100 bb)
    SB: $11.94 (119.4 bb)
    BB: $12.68 (126.8 bb)
    UTG+1: $23.08 (230.8 bb)
    UTG+2: $12.80 (128 bb)
    Hero (MP1): $10.62 (106.2 bb)
    MP2: $11.40 (114 bb)
    MP3: $6.56 (65.6 bb)
    CO: $10.43 (104.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T T
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.30, 4 folds

    Flop: ($0.75) 3 4 T (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.40, MP3 calls $0.40

    Turn: ($1.55) 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.90, MP3 calls $0.90

    River: ($3.35) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.50, MP3 raises to $4.96, Hero calls $2.46

    Spoiler:
    Results: $13.27 pot ($0.60 rake)
    Final Board: 3 4 T 5 A
    Hero showed T T and lost (-$6.56 net)
    MP3 showed 2 A and won $12.67 ($6.11 net)



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    03-26-2017 , 07:42 AM
    check flop. River is never a fold
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    03-26-2017 , 08:56 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hurtNCYDE
    check flop. River is never a fold
    why checking the flop?

    Spoiler:
    If you have a check-raising strategy as the PFR on boards like that, then you should have some sets in that range, so you should check some TT there.
    Having that check-raising range is good because these boards are really tough for the PFR and smashes more the caller's range (not that much on this board, more in a 3s8hTh board). So villain can get away by floating a lot and betting the flop if checked to, since you will be mostly check-folding on that spot. By having that check-raising range you will put villain in really tough spots and make him play more straightforwardly in that board texture, which is good for ur SDV hands like 55, AJ, A4ss. Also if you cbet a lot as a bluff in that board, villain will own you when he starts raising his FDs or even overcards + BDFD. By having that check-raising range you can check a lot more and have better chances at realizing your equity.


    But vs someone who isn't full stacked and is likely a fish, you should be betting big there.

    pot the flop, pot the turn, OTR you put the rest of the money in.

    as played, checking the river is better because you induce bluffs.

    PS: you should read blackrain79's first book, it seems you're missing value vs fish

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umecxx9SgcI

    Last edited by Rapidesh123; 03-26-2017 at 09:17 AM.
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    03-26-2017 , 10:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by oc33rF
    i've been get caught in a lot of ****ty spots like random player with gambler status 200deep 4bet shove, me with AA (bad beats).
    If you're saying this is happening preflop your graph isn't showing it as you're running above EV.
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    03-26-2017 , 02:31 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rapidesh123
    why checking the flop?

    Spoiler:
    If you have a check-raising strategy as the PFR on boards like that, then you should have some sets in that range, so you should check some TT there.
    Having that check-raising range is good because these boards are really tough for the PFR and smashes more the caller's range (not that much on this board, more in a 3s8hTh board). So villain can get away by floating a lot and betting the flop if checked to, since you will be mostly check-folding on that spot. By having that check-raising range you will put villain in really tough spots and make him play more straightforwardly in that board texture, which is good for ur SDV hands like 55, AJ, A4ss. Also if you cbet a lot as a bluff in that board, villain will own you when he starts raising his FDs or even overcards + BDFD. By having that check-raising range you can check a lot more and have better chances at realizing your equity.


    But vs someone who isn't full stacked and is likely a fish, you should be betting big there.

    pot the flop, pot the turn, OTR you put the rest of the money in.

    as played, checking the river is better because you induce bluffs.

    PS: you should read blackrain79's first book, it seems you're missing value vs fish

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umecxx9SgcI
    check raising strategy seems like a bad move to me with sets in this particular field, he is gonna fold to that and i don't want that, i rather make him think i'm missing some hands like broadway suited gappers, or that he is facing a premium (with fold equity on the turn in case im actually bluffing).

    they guy on the hand is not a fish is more like a mid stake grinder i get his line like flatting Ax is good with position given the spr, and he has too many outs ott to fold, only not so good implied outs to the flush.

    i guess those are the coolers im talking about.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Husker
    If you're saying this is happening preflop your graph isn't showing it as you're running above EV.
    no, is not happening preflop, but i think i'm running over my EV because i've found a lot of value on in some specific spots (some 3b lights, some bluffs) losing a lot less on SB and BB, but where it comes down to play strong hands or the hands i bet for value i get caught in ****, like unreadable hands (or very tought) some coolers (KK vs AA) and some bad beats, cough* some bad calls also.

    and ofc, a lot of tilt in the last 5 or 7 sessions(session with -9BI) and the hangover session (wtf did i do) +8BI session lolz.

    now im climbing again, and adjusting. im making huge mistakes i didn't do before (hurts to accept it), so ill grind another 50k hands asap with a cold mind and i'll show the results hopefully something better.

    ps: i guess you have to run bad sometimes to learn something.
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    03-29-2017 , 07:32 PM
    WTF is that call? Was a reg too.

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      BTN: $34.18 (136.7 bb)
      SB: $27.05 (108.2 bb)
      BB: $11.54 (46.2 bb)
      UTG+1: $43.95 (175.8 bb)
      UTG+2: $65.46 (261.8 bb)
      MP1: $23.66 (94.6 bb)
      Hero (MP2): $64.13 (256.5 bb)
      MP3: $56.53 (226.1 bb)
      CO: $23.30 (93.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K Q
      UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, MP3 folds, CO calls $1, BTN calls $1, SB folds, BB raises to $4.75, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $3.75, CO folds, BTN calls $3.75

      Flop: ($15.60) 2 T T (3 players)
      BB bets $6.79 and is all-in, Hero folds, BTN calls $6.79

      Turn: ($29.18) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($29.18) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $29.18 pot ($1.31 rake)
      Final Board: 2 T T 2 4
      BTN showed Q 9 and lost (-$11.54 net)
      BB showed A A and won $27.87 ($16.33 net)
      Hero mucked K Q and lost (-$4.75 net)



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      03-29-2017 , 11:11 PM
      was bb a big fish? seems like an ambitious peel pre for 19bb. assume other guy just miss clicked or just wanted to improve his redline
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      03-29-2017 , 11:49 PM
      Tough line up this morning.
      Rosh, LRR, Relamz, Amestica, Romanoff, Staticky, Impref, Virus?

      Its like a 2015 reunion in the zoom pool.
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      03-30-2017 , 12:12 AM
      does amestica really win at all ?

      Impressive how people say poker is dying
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      03-30-2017 , 03:58 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Bagpuss
      was bb a big fish? seems like an ambitious peel pre for 19bb. assume other guy just miss clicked or just wanted to improve his redline
      BB was definitely a fish but even then...

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by dogarse
      Tough line up this morning.
      Rosh, LRR, Relamz, Amestica, Romanoff, Staticky, Impref, Virus?
      Virus is good? He's garbage. If you're reading this Virus, with all due respect, you're garbage. Your spewy attempts to be tricky made me laugh out loud several times and I hope you keep doing what you're doing.





      Anyways...was 20bbs away from a 1000bb stack and then the heater came to a violent end. Maybe next time.

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      03-30-2017 , 05:17 AM
      sick grind LRR!
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      03-30-2017 , 07:04 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by dogarse
      Tough line up this morning.
      Rosh, LRR, Relamz, Amestica, Romanoff, Staticky, Impref, Virus?

      Its like a 2015 reunion in the zoom pool.
      Reunion from those who dropped from 50nl to 25nl lol

      You forgot Polivanov, was the biggest winner at 50z FR ARP from back in the day

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by coldeu
      does amestica really win at all ?

      Impressive how people say poker is dying
      I actually suspected he was a bot for sometime until he started chatting. I'm still skeptical that something ain't right

      Biggest winner in the league btw (from when results were tracked) but so weird with stack size play (no top ups + ratholing)



      Quote:
      Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
      Virus is good? He's garbage. If you're reading this Virus, with all due respect, you're garbage. Your spewy attempts to be tricky made me laugh out loud several times and I hope you keep doing what you're doing.
      He does some weird stuff but not the worst, think he is still winning

      Nice stack

      Last edited by x_ROSH125_x; 03-30-2017 at 07:13 AM.
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      03-30-2017 , 09:32 AM
      impressive, never expected that amestica that doesnt even rebuy full would win that amount lol. That's the answer to everyone that think nl25zoom is unbeatable LOL

      Propz to him and I take my words back
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      03-30-2017 , 10:07 AM
      Graph since I came back to poker lol

      gg goal for this month, have only one last month here in this world.

      [x] get an internship
      [x] 50k hands
      [ ] take shots at NL100z
      [x] Move down to NL10z

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      03-30-2017 , 10:13 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by hurtNCYDE
      sick grind LRR!
      Thanks! 300 something more VPPs til I become more than Silver for the first time since 2015!

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by x_ROSH125_x
      You forgot Polivanov, was the biggest winner at 50z FR ARP from back in the day
      Polivanov is crazy. I thought my $160 stack was impressive at the time. Takes him like an hour to "beat" me. Much respect for him for being a sicko crusher.

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by x_ROSH125_x
      He does some weird stuff but not the worst, think he is still winning

      Nice stack
      He flatted 88 vs my UTG which is standard. But then he RAISED a flop like 944r, checked back a blank turn and snapped my river bet on like a J or Q. If he's anything more than a RB grinder I'd be shocked. And I don't remember if it was him but he may have cold called a 3 bet with 53s and then snapped off a river donk with a 5 high flush in a spot where I pretty much have 0 bluffs and only have flushes or better. Maybe he was tilting.

      And thanks! I was sooooooo close! Next time I'll play 13k hands and get it.
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      03-30-2017 , 10:59 AM
      Latest bullchit to rip off your stars coin

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      I played one hand, cost me 7 SC, won 1 SC
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      03-30-2017 , 05:49 PM
      On topic stuff. Changed virus from good reg to bad couple of days ago. PTR seemed fine if i remember correctly but his play is so off. But yet again my game is probably off even more.
      IMO the funnest player to play against atm is PS100ps. So easy to give him rope so he could hang himself.

      Anyways are there any FR NL25 (zoom) banter groups where old regs talk **** to each other and just have a casual talk?

      Last edited by Silentb0b; 03-30-2017 at 05:57 PM.
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      03-30-2017 , 07:14 PM
      Yes, PS100PS so yes. I'm not sure if he's really good or really bad. I lean towards really bad but there were a few regs at NL50 I got a similar feeling about (Shanz, thevegasox, Bigpoker) who apparently do very well.
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      03-30-2017 , 10:02 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by oc33rF
      how bad i run to have a graph like this?.

      pretty much from 35k hands i start to run every single cooler and bad beat that you can imagine.

      even when i feel i've improved my game like 300% and (i can see that on my red line) im exploiting pretty much every type of player.

      it's crushing my soul to see every showdown set over set, even 2 hands in quads vs straight flush.

      i was thinking on moving nl25 this month but ill grind another 50k hands more dont wanna move up comming from this, by far the worst downswing.

      any advice??.



      so back in control thx for comments Rapidesh123, i just reduce the number of tables and focus a lot more in every spot.

      ill take some shots on NL25 tomorrow don't snipe me.
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      03-31-2017 , 03:52 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Silentb0b
      IMO the funnest player to play against atm is PS100ps. So easy to give him rope so he could hang himself.
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by dogarse
      Yes, PS100PS so yes. I'm not sure if he's really good or really bad. I lean towards really bad but there were a few regs at NL50 I got a similar feeling about (Shanz, thevegasox, Bigpoker) who apparently do very well.
      PS100ps actually crushes, huge winrate. His redline must b insane

      Shanz was a huge loser a few years back, small lose rate with huge volume but changed his game and I think he wins decent these days.

      thevegasox & Bigpoker are winning decent too. theveg does some weird **** too.

      Doing weird **** pays off

      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Silentb0b

      Anyways are there any FR NL25 (zoom) banter groups where old regs talk **** to each other and just have a casual talk?
      There were a few good Skype groups going years back but they all died out
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      03-31-2017 , 05:56 AM
      Yes, he crushes the avg player pool. Also seen him tilting against me. As i said it's fun to play against him, because he always puts me in really difficult spots. When i adjusted to his play i think he readjusted against me, so we had to take our game to next lvl. I guess i'm overally be against him, but defo a player i like having in the zoom pool.
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      03-31-2017 , 06:58 AM
      I think the best news for the 25z FR Pool is that Luxuswasser is back
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      03-31-2017 , 09:24 AM
      I remember him
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      03-31-2017 , 10:02 AM
      Gave up after 14 days (march 14th). Was on pace for 300k hands. But i think i never lost so many 85/15, 90/10 favorite on turns... pretty much discusted. KMore because of personal problems. First rule of the mindset: dont play when you dont feel good, its the worst when real life affects your game.


      [ ] Crush all the bad regs outhere aka ex shortstakers scum Fish was crushing me
      [X] Motivation and pride, just for the honor!! Tried everything i got
      [ ] fix the red line aka my persomal A game How when u got bluffcatched, rivered or preflop coolered

      [X] Sports, sports, sports, power!!!! This at least at its best
      [X ] Drink alot (liquor, beers) Ohh yeah, hell motherfocking yay
      [ ] 200K hands + Niet
      [X] Degen gonna degenerate Put some 15k+ hands sessions in
      [X] Fapping alot for relaxion, hookers sometimes because i need it absolutly No hookers just my right hook
      [X] No agressive or passive tilt, just mentaly strong TBH no big tilt, only for some 40bb pots
      [X] Back to my personal A game Running incredible bad, was satisfied with my game
      [ ] Don't be affected by poker in my freetime after 14 days of shieeet i was crushed and done
      [ ] Enjoy life with family and friends, just have a good time! drunken maybe
      [ ] Plan next holydays at the tropical beach Hell no
      [ ] 300k hands WTF
      [ ] 1k profit at the tables pre rakeback, shame but i deserve. Ahahahah


      pretty shure i will match everything, One of the most disappointing months in my life not because of the ammount i lost just because the way how it happened, I remeber when i had months like -10k+ i was motivated to get it back asap



      Last edited by JFKHamburger; 03-31-2017 at 10:23 AM. Reason: -round about -64 buyin's, easy game normally, but lack of motivation
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      03-31-2017 , 11:04 AM
      How many tables do you play?
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