M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

off-topic,

I've been thinking of an experiment
great shortstackers pretty much uniformly claim how unique and valuable their information is. Thus, they haven't posted any of it. I know about 80% of it from quite a bit of success shortstacking myself. One could apply themselves and in a month have a 5 figure per month income working 35 hour weeks. However, this might destroy the poker games that regular full-stackies depend on.

I'm thinking about just posting guidelines, charts, hand histories and everything I have on shortstacking to see if the info really is that valuable.

If it is that valuable, I expect someone to buy me off before I post it all.

</delusionsofgrandeur>

is it against 2p2 T&C to offer for sale a "shortstacking playbook" in BBV?

guess it isn't allowed

i asked in "about the forums"
thread got deleted I guess
I hoped it was going to the mod forum for discussion, but I never heard anything and the link to the thread no longer works

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11-10-2007 , 04:47 PM

King Spew

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Can I post something like "Die shortstackers, Die" ??

The changing face of online poker has produced a boatload of playahs "trying" to effectively shortstack.

Fortunately, few do it well.

edit: I DO believe that if a really great Shortstacking Bible were ever produced and copied here or on another prominent web site, the online game would evolve a bit closer to a game I would not like to play.

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11-10-2007 , 05:03 PM

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11-10-2007 , 05:24 PM

Mike Kelley

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So what is this thread?

Are you offering to answer questions about shortstacking?

Or is this a terrorist threat to destroy the game of poker?

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11-10-2007 , 06:28 PM

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I still say we should create a sort of "MIT Poker Team" and bring the poker web sites to their knees.

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11-10-2007 , 06:29 PM

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DIE SHORTSTACKERS DIE.

That said, it's not like it can't be countered by a thinking human being who takes notes, datamines, and can estimate shortstacker ranges.

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11-10-2007 , 06:40 PM

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Final warning: any more 'die shortstackers die' will result in suspensions.

Reason for this thread: I got tired of M2TR derailing the thread about how different stack sizes should affect the way you play with his 'supersecret shortstacking stuff' musings. He can do it in here if he wants.

PS. Yes, I do SS sometimes, but only as a change of pace now and again, and more importantly to make sure I keep the mind of a shortstacker available in my repertoire. Helps to spot good and bad ones, and take their moneys accordingly, mkay?

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11-10-2007 , 07:40 PM

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I like to play in a table where there is a mix of players, 60% SS'ers is fine, also don't mind playing if all others at the table are SS'ers. Steady cash flow and if they leave the table other ones take their place. Plenty of 'em where they come from!

It is the 1 or 2 good fullstackers that irritate me instead, coming between me and the moolah.

Like right now, playing 25NL, I liked the table but had to wait some time for this good player to leave so I could make some money. I was between $23-$31 all the time, he was just plain dominating the table and changing the dynamics for me. Inside 10 minutes after he left I was up to $45.

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11-10-2007 , 07:49 PM

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You missed me out :P though i'm full stacking again at the moment

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11-10-2007 , 07:56 PM

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I'm still playing uNL, 25NL at the moment. 25NL on Stars is littered with short stackers. Bad ones.

The only short stacker I fear is one that I have seen shove on the flop. Fortunately, these seem to be few and far between. So many times I see shorties limp-call a PFR, then check-fold to a c-bet. Playing "hit-to-win" is not the way to make money as a shortie. In fact, it's exactly how most bad shorties go broke.

If I were to give advice to short stackers, and that's something I've been known to do over on the Beginner's forum, I would say the best thing they could do is to shove on the flop more regularly, even if all they have is two unimproved overcards.

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11-10-2007 , 07:58 PM

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11-10-2007 , 08:04 PM

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MyTrun2Raise is not even good, idk why anyone would want to learn from him. He has even admitted to being a V small winner, and dependent on RB and bonuses for any real profit.

anyone can be a winning SS'er if they put in the time to learn the math involved, however for the vast majority of players you will be more long-term +ev full stacking

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11-10-2007 , 08:51 PM

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I do not approve of this message.

no message, just some posters names, couple of which are spelled backwards for variety

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11-10-2007 , 09:59 PM

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If shortstacking is an effective way to attack the game, then rock on. I have to say that if you're hungover and want to play poker anyway, then it is a great way to go. It's as unstrategic as poker gets, at least at the levels I play at.

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11-10-2007 , 10:35 PM

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After reading the secrets in this thread I feel ready to crush the 10/20.

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11-10-2007 , 10:59 PM

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After reading the secrets in this thread I feel ready to crush the .10/.20.

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11-11-2007 , 01:19 AM

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Yay I'm in a thread.

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11-11-2007 , 01:21 AM

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Wow, I made the list.

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11-11-2007 , 03:38 AM

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Wow, I made the list.

what is this, a list of posters who have shortstacked? i dont get it

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11-11-2007 , 03:39 AM

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Wow, I made the list.

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Yay I'm in a thread.

the bottom two spots, but yeah on the list

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what is this, a list of posters who have shortstacked? i dont get it

just a list of posters, I don't believe they are shortstackers

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11-11-2007 , 03:51 AM

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just a list of posters, I don't believe they are shortstackers

diebitter is, but you did a good job cutting me

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11-11-2007 , 04:13 AM

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just a list of posters, I don't believe they are shortstackers

diebitter is, but you did a good job cutting me

he was just the first name beginning with a D I thought of, as for cutting you, I took you out after you said you didn't approve of it

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