If you are playing 20/17/7 and cannot sqz/jam AK here vs a reasonable looking reg one or both of you are doing it wrong

^that

6% ATM but its still quite a small sample.

@SA16 after so few hands and given that the villain seems so far to be playing `face up` rather than been the type to adjust, Im still not seeing this villain turn up with JJ and probably even QQ here and so far from experience I would say the majority of players from NL100 down just dont adjust at all. How do I decide whether he is adjusting? Best just to stick it in and make a note?

the best way to see if he's adjusting is to get it in with KK+ and see what he has, maybe AKs if you're feeling frisky... dont assume ppl are adjusting and make big mistakes

you can definitely sqz fold here without a lot of history and I think that's >>>> sqz get it in and assume someone stacks AK

assuming = bad

I don't mind 3b/f here and I do sometimes against tightish reg types who aren't really known to me. Sometimes though, if I decide I am getting it in, instead of 5b shipping, I'll do a tiny 5b...in this case to something like 20-22. Usually want some history with villain before doing so though, but not always.

I had already decided before I 3bet that I was 3bet/folding if he came over the top without history so just wanted to check that it wasnt a major mistake or anything.

I do think people on here sometimes give villains too much credit for been able to adjust and almost assume that villains think on the same levels as themselves which is most defnatley not the case imo.

C'mon, this ain't 2006 anymore. Most 16/14's aren't min 4betting QQ to fold to a shove ever at uNL FR. 3b/4b dynamics haven't got that aggressive yet at the micros. 3b/shoving might be okay at midstakes but its a leak at micros imo.

EDIT: Nevermind, I just noticed that you were playing 20/17. Still not a fistpump shove but I'm not snap folding either.

Have you even played 50nl recently? people 4b a ton.

I don't think I can fold here if they see you as a LAG with high 3b% and high sqz%.

I think I know who you are now.. not sure if it was secrets.

Me? Think ive seen you at the tables, and no its no secret, my screen name is all over the place.

i read the OP. i read the replies.

conclusion - nobody who wins at 200+ could possibly win at 50nl because it is a different form of poker entirely.

like what the **** universe is this where a 20/17 cant sqz/jam AK against a 16/14 at any level of poker? and i'm not even saying sqz/fold is wrong i'm just echoing how much truth there is in SA's assessment that one or both of you leak worse than my gf during first week of the month.

3b/call a shove, 3b/fold to a std 4b.

This imo.

epic. this man speaks the truth.

Ive re-read the thread and cant find anyone who suggests this. Maybe you could point it out. Anyone who suggests this is clearly retarded, its like me saying if you cant beat NL50 then you probably couldnt beat NL5, yes thats right total bollocks.

Of course someone playing higher could probably(maybe they run hot or something) beat a lower level but they would obviously have to adjust their strategy a bit wouldnt they? Well if they are good enough then they would adjust it simply to play the most profitable style of poker they could which lower down will be stuff like........you can fill in the blanks here as they are pretty obvious.

As for who is leaking, like I mention earlier in the thread I used to get this in in spots like this on a regular basis but stopped because people simply wernt adjusting and the very worst hands I would see from this villain type would be QQ but that was pretty rare.

If you're not saying Sqz/fold is wrong, but you are suggesting its an easy jam, then how can both fold and jam be ok? Or if they are both equal EV then why all the hate for fold?

I'd like to know the villains range that all the small/mid stakes guys think makes it a jam. Is it because you think his 4b range is depolarised enough that there is enough TT+/AQ in there, or is it that you think his range is polarised with enough bluffs in it?

Personally ime at 50nl, although guys will adjust a little bit to a 20/17 player, it won't be in spots like this where it's effectively UTG+1 vs blinds because ranges for both villain and hero are at their strongest here. If its BTN vs BB then I agree we can squeeze/ jam all day long with AK here, but it's not.

At 50nl, I strongly agree with Mart that 5bet jamming here is going to see QQ+ an awful lot of the time.