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Old 02-25-2010, 05:51 PM   #16
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Is it possible to go on a 60k hand heater?
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Old 02-25-2010, 05:59 PM   #17
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That would depend on the variance of your samples. Can we really talk about anything here outside of generalities without knowing individuals sample standard deviations?
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Old 02-25-2010, 06:00 PM   #18
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Move up liberally while still at the micro stakes. 70k at 50 is enough to go with IMO. I think if you stay at NL2-NL50 long enough to gather an accurate historical WR, you've stayed there too long
but wHat if that "accurate" wr is between 0-2?
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Old 02-25-2010, 06:05 PM   #19
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Is it possible to go on a 60k hand heater?
yes. And I mean this with respect, you are probably on one.
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Old 02-25-2010, 06:53 PM   #20
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Is it possible to go on a 60k hand heater?
very much so, yes. 100K hand simulator I love this tool, really lets you know just how susceptible we are to variance

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but wHat if that "accurate" wr is between 0-2?
Being a marginal winner at NL50/100 teaches you more than being a marginal x 2 winner at NL10-25 IMO
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:00 PM   #21
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is 70k enough of a sample size to reasonably estimate a wr?

Currently beating 50nl for 5bb/100 over that sample.

Is shotting 100 in the next month or so appropriate or will that wr = me getting crushed up there?

edit: what I meant to say was nom nom FPPs
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:03 PM   #22
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Is it possible to go on a 60k hand heater?
Yes.

I once had a 20k hand stretch with a winrate of 15ptbb/100 (30bb/100). Sustainable imo.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:07 PM   #23
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your cap WR at 1/2 (assuming normal $200 BI) is usually going to be $20/hr. So your hourly isn't bad. I would suggest shotting the 500 game on the weekends and seeing how you feel in them

(a quick note on sample. 800hrs of live is roughly 28K hands. Most online players play this in less than a month. So just remember that although it seems like a lot of play given the hours...it is a relatively small sample size)
I've played live maybe four times but I've seen a lot of people claim higher winrates than that at $1/2. I've been thinking about scraping together a live bankroll and am just curious about live winrates.

I think I would be playing mostly just weekends and driving to A.C. so maybe I would be playing super soft tables all the time, but the fact that a year of poker live is only 28k hands is scary. I guess people could be winning at twice that clip but just running hot. And the people that really crush $1/2 prolly move up to $2/5 pretty quickly.

I don't even have a question I don't think.. just thanking for the info about the hours compared to the hands played. Definitely eye-opening.

This post sucked it was just ramblings, apologies.
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:11 PM   #24
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I've played live maybe four times but I've seen a lot of people claim higher winrates than that at $1/2. I've been thinking about scraping together a live bankroll and am just curious about live winrates.
in general these people are full of ****. but yeah i think you can get it a little higher.
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This post sucked it was just ramblings, apologies.
Ramblings is what this thread is for!

KurtSF's collected wisdom on live 1/2 winrates:

* theoretical max winrate is $20-25 per hour

* yes, Phil Ivey could make $70/hour against the collection of clowns down at your local card barn, but you're not Phil Ivey, so why worry about it

* most people who claim a higher winrate suffer from one of two basic flaws, most common is a fundamental misunderstanding of sample size (I made $500 last Saturday and $400 this Saturday ZOMG thats $120/hr!), and slightly less common is ego interference (they forget or don't record their big losing session(s) so in their winning sessions they clear $60/hr)

* it doesn't matter much anyway, if you're playing for fun have fun and be happy you're a winner, if you're playing for a living you will be in 2/5 before long
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:48 PM   #27
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look forward to it
TBh 70 k isnt a huge samplesize but you can obv still take a shot. Just dont lose 20 Bi etc.
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this was highly enlightening. for 3ptbb i had a 100k sample where i was down like 80bi and one where i was up 140bi. crazy.
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Old 02-25-2010, 08:10 PM   #29
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people actually win at this game?
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this was highly enlightening. for 3ptbb i had a 100k sample where i was down like 80bi and one where i was up 140bi. crazy.
you'll need to find your standard deviation out of PT3/HEM to make it really useful, i believe it's default is a slightly high STD
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