*** Let's Chat About Win Rates! *** - Page 11 - Micro Stakes Full Ring Games

theboot · 03-02-2010, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by *Split*

for some odd reason I kept adjusting to what I felt the game would play like, not what it actually played like (if that makes sense

omg, that is so ****ing true. F*ck, if only you wrote that post 2 months back!

Vanguard · 03-02-2010, 05:13 AM

so split what do you think of shot taking higher up? is it odd that i dont really like to play 200nl and keep coming back to 100nl because i hate having 1-2k swings in the matter of 2hrs?

300zxrider · 03-02-2010, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SI-KICK

^^ this..

i've won at least 3 pots <600bb +

Holy ****, would you mind posting a hand or two I'm just kinda curious? I'm a super nit when it comes to playing deep and have prob only won a 400bb pot a couple times lol.

Garon · 03-02-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by xxdanimalxx

It all depends on how long it takes you to not care when you lose a BI at the next level. I know for me, the first few times I shotted 100 and lost a stack I was like, 'jesus, there goes a hundy.' which was definitely the wrong attitude. It's the same game, you just gotta get accustomed to swinging a lot more $$ wise (maybe BI wise too). Also, how well you're rolled helps.

+1

This is so true for me. I've decided to increase my bankroll requirement for shots from 25 to 30 BI's, hopefully that will help a little. But I know I'll still be thinking 'there goes twice as much as I would have lost at my regular level' when I lose.

Garon

**mpethybridge** · 03-02-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Garon

+1

This is so true for me. I've decided to increase my bankroll requirement for shots from 25 to 30 BI's, hopefully that will help a little. But I know I'll still be thinking 'there goes twice as much as I would have lost at my regular level' when I lose.

Garon

This is the big difference between $50 and $100 for me. I have an insane number of buy-ins for $100, and I still cringe every time I get stacked at $100. $100 just feels like "real money," to me, while I can shrug off getting stacked at $50.

The other thing that bugs me about playing $100 and getting stacked is that stacks are harder to come by at $100. So when I lose one, I know it will be harder to come back from that loss.

springsteen87 · 03-02-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 300zxrider

I've been 4-tabling 50NL Rush almost exclusively for the past week or so since it's way easier to start and end a session compared to 16-tabling. Anyway, I was just wondering if anybody thinks that there's any difference in possible winrate at 4-tabling Rush compared to 16-tabling regular tables?

I was 8 tabling rush for a while (1600-1700 hands/hr) and recently went back down to 14-16 normal tables (1100-1300 hands/hr IME) and it feels so much slower. I have time to think, and make quality decisions now, and i'm no longer just super auto-piloting.

I think 4 tabling rush would be a lot different than 8, and you'll probably have more time for each decision. I'd make sure to get a HUD that is responsive, and to work on your deep stack play (stacks get super deep sometimes in rush).

+1 to winning stacks being harder in general at 100. Seems to be a theme as you move up. The importance of set-mining and cracking overpairs goes down a ton

***Split*** · 03-02-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanguard

so split what do you think of shot taking higher up? is it odd that i dont really like to play 200nl and keep coming back to 100nl because i hate having 1-2k swings in the matter of 2hrs?

tbh, this is why I play more 50NL now a days than 100NL. I realized that I hate $1K swings regularly, and it seeps into my real life and makes me angry. I am much better with it now, and will probably start playing some more 100NL and 200NL in the future though. You just need to keep working on your desensitization to money and creating a huge disconnect between money and value...if that makes sense.

thejuggernaut · 03-02-2010, 02:01 PM

10 BI swings are really that common? That would tilt me for sure.

F. Ill never make it to 100.

All this sounds crazy to a 25NL player. Maybe I'm just not desensitized to it yet.

Vanguard · 03-02-2010, 05:11 PM

i hit an interesting run of cards last week in an hour and swonged 7bi in the positive in about 800 hands (100nl). that can happen the other way too. i mean they arent THAT common, i have had a few months where i dropped 4-5bi at the most (running decent) but in december i had 3 -10bi downswings at 100nl and still won at like 2.2ptbb or so. i have a pretty good winrate at 100nl (even though you wouldnt know it from sne attempt...do not suggest unless you have a high mental fortitude) so i have yet to have like a 20bi downer there. and this is after 600k+ hands.

the first -2k session i had at 200nl hurt a lot lol. even though i should have forced a stop loss. but 200nl is aggressive as **** depending. or nitty. it's very weird regardless.

but you def shouldn't be afraid of moving up or whatever. it's still just poker fundamentally.

dabomb75 · 03-02-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by *Split*

I usually tell ppl that are going to move up/shot it aggressively to expect a 50% drop in WR from 50NL to 100NL off the bat...assuming they do the standard "IM GOING TO MOVE UP AND FREAK OUT!!!!" thing. (I expect normal WR at 100NL to be ~75% once you adjust and are used to the level)

So if you can withstand the feeling of bigger swings, and feel you can adjust quickly, then by all means shot it. It took me about 6 times (give or take) to finally make 100NL my home when I was shotting...for some odd reason I kept adjusting to what I felt the game would play like, not what it actually played like (if that makes sense). If you can play 100NL, move fluidly between levels if need be, and keep a learner's attitude while doing so...I think its a solid idea imo

thanks, this was re-assuring as others have said. For me more so because I'm hoping I don't freak out and that I can maintain a decent wr still moving up.

NewSkol · 03-02-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by *Split*

tbh, this is why I play more 50NL now a days than 100NL. I realized that I hate $1K swings regularly, and it seeps into my real life and makes me angry. I am much better with it now, and will probably start playing some more 100NL and 200NL in the future though. You just need to keep working on your desensitization to money and creating a huge disconnect between money and value...if that makes sense.

One thing that always helps me to forget about the money value is this:

"I only deposited 25$ dollars, so if I lose my whole BR, then I theoretically only lost 25$... and the time. But the time was fun, and if I didnt use it for poker, I'd play World Of Warcraft, which is way less educational for IRL."

Although, given that I am pretty strict @ BR management, I dont usually think about losing the BR :P

kasik047 · 03-02-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NewSkol

I'd play World Of Warcraft

I am so glad I quit that, aren't you?

stry67 · 03-02-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kasik047

I am so glad I quit that, aren't you?

yea me 2 but now Starcraft 2 is almost out

NewSkol · 03-03-2010, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by stry67

yea me 2 but now Starcraft 2 is almost out

Yeah and APB is on the way as well. This year isnt good for former gaming addicts.

(And yes, I am glad I quit WoW, but now I hear Cataclysm is reaching us soon, so...)

P.S. I think we are derailing the thread a little bit. So what was your winrate like in WoW?

DDAWD · 03-03-2010, 05:54 AM

Starcraft 2 is just coming out? Isn't the first one like 15 years old?