Any opinions on this hand, other than how bad the 3 bet from SB is?

No specific reads on anyone, but H was playing pretty LAG-y shorthanded.

No Limit Hold'em $0.05/$0.10

5 players

Stacks:
CO - CO ($4.95)
BTN - BTN ($19.78)
SB - Hero ($18.46)
UTG - UTG ($7.14)
BB - BB ($9.68)

Preflop: ($0.15, 5 players) Hero is SB with 8h 7s
BTN raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $0.88, BB calls $0.78, BTN calls $0.53

Flop: 9s 2s Jh ($2.64)

Hero bets $1.76, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.76

Turn: Ts ($6.16)

Hero checks, BTN bets $3.08, Hero folds

I felt really nitty folding here (why even play this hand if i'm going to fold when I hit my straight?)...but just felt beat, either by the flush or better straight

Your card selection for the 3-bet is very bad.
Your sizing of the 3-bet is very bad.
Flop is good
Turn is a disaster. You shouldn't be using your intuition to make plays. You should be using sound poker logic to make plays.

+1 pretty much this. Make it more like 12bbs pre, pick a non-garbage hand. Don't fold a hand this strong to one bet.

fair enough...I agree about the poor bet sizing. I already acknowledged the questionable card selection. I guess I was hoping for some slightly more constructive criticism.

I disagree about not using intuition.

But of course I want to be using sound poker logic as well- that's why I'm posting this specific, badly played hand...to get other's input...not to be told it's bad (I already knew that).

In my mind I either had to get it in on the turn or just let it go, because there is almost no good card on the river for me at this point and there is certainly a river barrel coming from him on any river. My logic/intuition was that V's range on the turn was actually pretty strong and I was only beating bluffs or overpairs.

thanks for the help tho

thanks for the slightly more detailed analysis, def agree on the sizing. maybe i'm a donk for thinking 87o is not complete trash against a steal short handed.

i guess the main reason i laid it down was that it was the bottom, the flush card came, and i was out of position and it was going to be a bad situation on the river.

I realized most of that. I did read your comment about the bad preflop play prior to posting. I think it's good to emphasize because it's bad and I hope that highlighting the bad play will rid the player of it. I've been around 2p2 far too long (since 03) and far too many players say "well just ignore this part of the hand because I know it's bad". But that's a part of the hand, and it's usually (not in this case) the worst part of the hand and a play that's pretty bad and/or embarrassing. Also, it's hard to give much constructive criticism when you already know it's bad. That's why I didn't give alternatives to the preflop play. You seem to realize it's bad and in knowing that, I assume you know how to fix it.

In this case, the worst part of the play is the turn. The reason I think it's the worst part of the hand is because there's 61BBs in the pot and we simply check/fold a very strong hand. You can't say:

or
because it's not based on anything. Why can't he have a badly played JxQs? or JxAs? or QxJx that doesn't want a spade coming? Your hand is too strong to fold on the turn. You're not in an all-in or fold spot. Take a river card and go from there. I wouldn't be so critical of this play if we had called turn and the 2 comes and we c/f'ed because ranges shrink otr and he's likely checking back those QJo/AJo hands. I still wouldn't fold river but I can at least see the merit for doing so.

None of that was meant to be hostile, at all and I apologize if it comes off that way.

edit: actual general advice: Never 3-bet offsuit hands from the small blind as a bluff.

I'm no expert but I think you're underestimating how wide BTN's range is. It's certainly not all nuts. He can be value betting worse (T9, J9, JT, KJ, QJ, AJ, QQ if he doesn't 4bet it), also semi-bluffing numerous AsX, plus some pure air. Point being I think this is any easy call. Yeah, river can put you in a tough spot, but cross that bridge when you come to it.

I'd be curious to what others think about betting or check-calling turn. I think you've got more of a good bluff-catcher at this point.

Alright...I really appreciate both of your further comments...much more what I was looking for. What both of you have said makes a lot of sense. Thinking back on the hand now I realize I was just being lazy and trying to avoid a more difficult river spot against the only other deep stack at the table. I would normally never fold here, but I have been actively trying to work on not being such a station and so my thought process was if i'm going to check/fold the river, why call now? You are helping me see that I overestimated his strength though. Being OOP really ****ed with me here, which of course is why 3betting weak from the sb is bad...

re: never 3 betting w offsuit hands from the sb as a bluff though, i'm curious how you adjust your 3 bet range once the table gets short handed? I realize 5 players isn't that short, but what about 4 or 3? Especially if the button is stealing a lot...

I wouldn't adjust my range for that. You're intuitively adjusting your range when it's 6-handed. For example, if you're raising 15% UTG at a 6-handed table and then 55% on the button at that same 6-handed table, you're raising that extra 40% because it's essentially 3-handed. Same for 3-betting. You don't 3-bet the same range from the sb against UTG as you do against the button. When it folds to the button and you're in the sb, it's essentially already a 3-handed game and you shouldn't deviate from your strategy when it's actually just 3-handed unless the button is making a big adjustment because it's 3-handed which he shouldn't be doing.

The only time a game breaking down should change opening and defending ranges is when it becomes HU because of the nuance of having money already in the pot as the sb/button so you're opening more so naturally, the bb should defend more.