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KK flop set do I bet turn here after the donk flop 5nl? KK flop set do I bet turn here after the donk flop 5nl?

09-29-2015 , 10:19 PM
Eh so first Question do I call the flop donk or raise? I called because top set super strong want to keep him in, so I guess im happy to call here.

But turn do I bet when he checks after he donks, when he donks I put him on like a Kx hand potentially hands like KT where he improved and could be checking cause he hit two pair or donking hands like JT or 78s etc...

What would you guys do?

SB: $2.43 (48.6 bb)
BB: $7.12 (142.4 bb)
UTG+1: $6.41 (128.2 bb)
UTG+2: $5.50 (110 bb)
MP1: $10.03 (200.6 bb)
MP2: $6.68 (133.6 bb)
Hero (MP3): $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5.12 (102.4 bb)
BTN: $4.68 (93.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Kc Kd
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.47) Qs Ks 7h (3 players)
BB bets $0.28, Hero calls $0.28, CO folds

Turn: ($1.03) Ts (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ???
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09-29-2015 , 10:58 PM
This turn shows you exactly why you should raise on the flop. I don't see what he would fold that he is not going to fold on the turn. Not to mention you also have CO after and this turn in 3way is bad for your set. I wouldn't put him on a K here, since there is only one left.
Turn I think I'm checking back and reevaluate river.
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09-29-2015 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrisforever
This turn shows you exactly why you should raise on the flop. I don't see what he would fold that he is not going to fold on the turn. Not to mention you also have CO after and this turn in 3way is bad for your set. I wouldn't put him on a K here, since there is only one left.
Turn I think I'm checking back and reevaluate river.
Yeah its these kind of hands have the current nuts with the top set on flop but want to keep them in, but youre right if he donks with anything he'll call a raise . Ts turn he check I bet he may call or fold, he calls I check back the river i presume
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09-29-2015 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dloneunit
Ts turn he check I bet he may call or fold, he calls I check back the river i presume
What if he check/raise turn?
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09-30-2015 , 12:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrisforever
What if he check/raise turn?
bet cry i think haha

But yeah totally get that i just think i played way too weakly here, flop should of raised then in control for rest of poot and not a little calling bitch.

FYI since yhoure the only one who commented he had KQ i checked back and he check river blank i bet 66% he called
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09-30-2015 , 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dloneunit
FYI since yhoure the only one who commented he had KQ i checked back and he check river blank i bet 66% he called
That is why I think checking back turn is good, after donking flop, he is never going to check turn and river with the flush.
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09-30-2015 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisforever
That is why I think checking back turn is good, after donking flop, he is never going to check turn and river with the flush.
this means we should bet turn and river though following your logic.
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09-30-2015 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gutschel
this means we should bet turn and river though following your logic.
I meant he is not going to check both of them with the flush, he may try to hide his hand on the turn, but for sure he will fire on the river.
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09-30-2015 , 10:52 AM
oh, i get it. yup. raise flop on that texture for sure. as played i still bet turn depending on how bad he is.
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10-02-2015 , 07:13 AM
Dudes dunno if you're still subscribed but youd be so proud of me following youre wise words

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.77 (55.4 bb)
BB: $5.48 (109.6 bb)
Hero (UTG+2): $5.30 (106 bb)
MP1: $8.27 (165.4 bb)
MP2: $5 (100 bb)
MP3: $7.79 (155.8 bb)
CO: $5.40 (108 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Kc Kd
Hero raises to $0.15, 5 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB folds

Flop: ($0.35) 8d Qc 8s (2 players)
SB bets $0.35, Hero raises to $0.80, SB
Spoiler:
raises to $2.62 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.82

Turn: ($5.59) 6h (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($5.59) 5c (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $5.59 pot ($0.23 rake)
Final Board: 8d Qc 8s 6h 5c
SB showed Ks Qh and lost (-$2.77 net)
Hero showed Kc Kd and won $5.36 ($2.59 net)


Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $3.06 (61.2 bb)
BB: $6.42 (128.4 bb)
UTG+1: $12.78 (255.6 bb)
UTG+2: $5.32 (106.4 bb)
Hero (MP1): $5.16 (103.2 bb)
MP2: $5.58 (111.6 bb)
MP3: $4.93 (98.6 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $4.99 (99.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Ad Ah
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 4 folds, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.45) 2d 6h Tc (3 players)
SB bets $0.21, BB folds, Hero raises to $0.62,
Spoiler:
SB calls $0.41

Turn: ($1.69) 7c (2 players)
SB bets $1.62, Hero raises to $3.24, SB calls $0.67 and is all-in

River: ($6.27) Jc (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $6.27 pot ($0.26 rake)
Final Board: 2d 6h Tc 7c Jc
SB showed 8h Th and lost (-$3.06 net)
Hero showed Ad Ah and won $6.01 ($2.95 net)
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10-02-2015 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Chrisforever
This turn shows you exactly why you should raise on the flop. I don't see what he would fold that he is not going to fold on the turn. Not to mention you also have CO after and this turn in 3way is bad for your set. I wouldn't put him on a K here, since there is only one left.
Turn I think I'm checking back and reevaluate river.
Regardless of whether the hero raised the flop, he should still bet the turn in this case. There's a lot of cards that would fold this turn. Single aces, single jacks, single spades. It's even better when they call though. You win more money that way.

If you check the turn, you are losing value. It's absolutely ridiculous to check the turn here. No matter what the opponent has , you have a redraw to a full house. If he check raises, you can call and look at a river. You can also fold and be a conservative Cathy.

If you check, you let every draw see a river for free. The villain makes more hands when you check the turn which means you lose more often.
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10-02-2015 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by krikara
Regardless of whether the hero raised the flop, he should still bet the turn in this case. There's a lot of cards that would fold this turn. Single aces, single jacks, single spades. It's even better when they call though. You win more money that way.

If you check the turn, you are losing value. It's absolutely ridiculous to check the turn here. No matter what the opponent has , you have a redraw to a full house. If he check raises, you can call and look at a river. You can also fold and be a conservative Cathy.

If you check, you let every draw see a river for free. The villain makes more hands when you check the turn which means you lose more often.
I totally with what everyone is saying even after reviewing how ive been playing i think conservative cathy is a loose slut compared to me haha, i do lose a lot of value that is where I need to improve on for sure
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10-02-2015 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by krikara
Regardless of whether the hero raised the flop, he should still bet the turn in this case. There's a lot of cards that would fold this turn. Single aces, single jacks, single spades. It's even better when they call though. You win more money that way.

If you check the turn, you are losing value. It's absolutely ridiculous to check the turn here. No matter what the opponent has , you have a redraw to a full house. If he check raises, you can call and look at a river. You can also fold and be a conservative Cathy.

If you check, you let every draw see a river for free. The villain makes more hands when you check the turn which means you lose more often.
I think you should take a passive line when your opponent's range is stronger than yours.

Except AQ, I don't see any hand that would donk flop and then call a turn bet. We have position on him, once the turn goes check/check, we keep bluffs in his range also and it's easier to call a bluff or get value from weaker hands on the river, since he cleary wouldn't have a flush here. And it's not like the river is always going to rain spades here.

Let's be real about his range and don't give him AA, and JJ makes no sense to donk flop. Take both his flop and his turn ranges, don't build his range just on the turn.
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