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Old 12-25-2012, 01:07 PM   #1
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JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

This villain has 13/13 in just 20 hands.

How would you play this hand differently?



    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #15145041

    BTN: $18.69 (186.9 bb)
    SB: $4.90 (49 bb)
    BB: $8.21 (82.1 bb)
    UTG+1: $13.12 (131.2 bb)
    UTG+2: $13.96 (139.6 bb)
    MP1: $3.83 (38.3 bb)
    MP2: $11.19 (111.9 bb)
    Hero (MP3): $12.07 (120.7 bb)
    CO: $13.55 (135.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J J
    UTG+1 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.90, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $0.60

    Flop: ($1.95) T Q Q (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1, UTG+1 calls $1

    Turn: ($3.95) T (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $1.88, UTG+1 calls $1.88

    River: ($7.71) 3 (2 players)
    UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

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    Old 12-25-2012, 10:29 PM   #2
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

    terrible raise pre-flop, he is never calling with worse there...
    also the flop is pretty much terrible for you, most of his calling hands(TT-AA, AK, AQ) hit that board, you're in terribad shape against TT,QQ, KK, AA, AQ also in a coin-flip situation against AK, and losing to AhKh, as played i would check behind OTF and give up on almost any reasonable bet unless i hit a fullhouse


    just think a little more about your 3-bets pre-flop, look at villains position, he is UTG, and his opening range should be tight there, stop smashing buttons and start thinking before your actions
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    Old 12-25-2012, 10:59 PM   #3
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

    Just flat pre, you're effectively turning JJ into a bluff here. I'd also be flatting QQ-KK fwiw.

    As played post, I'm checking back flop and turn.
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    Old 12-25-2012, 11:06 PM   #4
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    Call pre. When you raise and he calls you are setting jacks on fire.
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    Old 12-25-2012, 11:07 PM   #5
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

    i like to just flat with JJ to an utg raise unless I know V is wide (very rare). also don't get carried away with low flops. most villains don't raise utg and get carried away with overcards.
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    Old 12-26-2012, 02:22 AM   #6
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

    you can start by flatting pre
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    Old 12-26-2012, 03:31 AM   #7
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

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    Just flat pre, you're effectively turning JJ into a bluff here. I'd also be flatting QQ-KK fwiw.

    As played post, I'm checking back flop and turn.
    Flatting KK here?
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    Old 12-26-2012, 04:36 AM   #8
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

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    Flatting KK here?
    Yes?
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    Old 12-26-2012, 06:45 AM   #9
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

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    Flatting KK here?
    This is pretty standard here.
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    Old 12-26-2012, 10:22 AM   #10
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

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    This is pretty standard here.
    care to share ur thought progress
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    Old 12-26-2012, 02:10 PM   #11
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

    I would 3bet KK if villain was running at 0/0 and his name was Nitty McNitterson.

    We only have 20 hands FFS.

    I agree with flatting JJ here.
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    Old 12-26-2012, 03:02 PM   #12
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

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    care to share ur thought progress
    Re flatting KK?

    Villain is utg+1, his range is gonna be pretty tight. If we 3bet him we're gonna look very strong and this allows him to fold a lot of weaker hands that we can get value from by flatting. Basically by flatting we keep his range wider.

    As an example, how do you feel if you're in EP with JJ or AQ and you get 3bet? What's your plan for the hand?
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    Old 12-26-2012, 05:00 PM   #13
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

    i donīt like flatting KK pre here at nl10. Itīs just too likely we will get multiway and with a value 3bet, playing the hand straight forward, we do alot better vs an unknown (with unknown players behind aswell) ev wise. we are not closing the action! i might agree tho if we have some reads on the original raiser + we are very confident postflop + the players behind are nits (which we should not expect at nl10 since most of our money comes from people calling too much at micros).
    im playing this for straight value.
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    Old 12-27-2012, 11:18 PM   #14
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

    Thanks for clear explanation Rapidesh, I am learning a lot since I joined this forum.

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    terrible raise pre-flop, he is never calling with worse there...
    also the flop is pretty much terrible for you, most of his calling hands(TT-AA, AK, AQ) hit that board, you're in terribad shape against TT,QQ, KK, AA, AQ also in a coin-flip situation against AK, and losing to AhKh, as played i would check behind OTF and give up on almost any reasonable bet unless i hit a fullhouse


    just think a little more about your 3-bets pre-flop, look at villains position, he is UTG, and his opening range should be tight there, stop smashing buttons and start thinking before your actions
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    Old 12-28-2012, 12:10 AM   #15
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    Re: JJ in position against early position raiser 10NL zoom

    thanks for your contadictory post rapidesh.
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    terrible raise pre-flop, he is never calling with worse there...
    also the flop is pretty much terrible for you, most of his calling hands(TT-AA, AK, AQ)
    So he's NEVER calling with anything worse when we 3-bet JJ, but he is calling with TT, AK, AQ which is many more worse hands than QQ, KK, AA. does not compute.
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