This villain has 13/13 in just 20 hands.

How would you play this hand differently?

terrible raise pre-flop, he is never calling with worse there...
also the flop is pretty much terrible for you, most of his calling hands(TT-AA, AK, AQ) hit that board, you're in terribad shape against TT,QQ, KK, AA, AQ also in a coin-flip situation against AK, and losing to AhKh, as played i would check behind OTF and give up on almost any reasonable bet unless i hit a fullhouse


just think a little more about your 3-bets pre-flop, look at villains position, he is UTG, and his opening range should be tight there, stop smashing buttons and start thinking before your actions

Just flat pre, you're effectively turning JJ into a bluff here. I'd also be flatting QQ-KK fwiw.

As played post, I'm checking back flop and turn.

Call pre. When you raise and he calls you are setting jacks on fire.

i like to just flat with JJ to an utg raise unless I know V is wide (very rare). also don't get carried away with low flops. most villains don't raise utg and get carried away with overcards.

you can start by flatting pre

Flatting KK here?

Yes?

This is pretty standard here.

care to share ur thought progress

I would 3bet KK if villain was running at 0/0 and his name was Nitty McNitterson.

We only have 20 hands FFS.

I agree with flatting JJ here.

Re flatting KK?

Villain is utg+1, his range is gonna be pretty tight. If we 3bet him we're gonna look very strong and this allows him to fold a lot of weaker hands that we can get value from by flatting. Basically by flatting we keep his range wider.

As an example, how do you feel if you're in EP with JJ or AQ and you get 3bet? What's your plan for the hand?

i don´t like flatting KK pre here at nl10. It´s just too likely we will get multiway and with a value 3bet, playing the hand straight forward, we do alot better vs an unknown (with unknown players behind aswell) ev wise. we are not closing the action! i might agree tho if we have some reads on the original raiser + we are very confident postflop + the players behind are nits (which we should not expect at nl10 since most of our money comes from people calling too much at micros).
im playing this for straight value.

Thanks for clear explanation Rapidesh, I am learning a lot since I joined this forum.

thanks for your contadictory post rapidesh.
So he's NEVER calling with anything worse when we 3-bet JJ, but he is calling with TT, AK, AQ which is many more worse hands than QQ, KK, AA. does not compute.

If we can't value bet KK, then we should be 3-bet bluffing probably any two cards.

flat JJ is ok ,but flat KK is good?
I may also flat AK here ,but when I have KK/AA ,i will 3bet/push at pf

3b QQ+ for sure ainec its micros people all to much

Are you going to 3bet QQ in this hand vs this villian
everytime?

Obviously we can bluff but not ATC. Blockers are best here.

No we probably can bluff ATC, it's just that blockers are higher EV. but since bluffing any two cards is +EV, then it's better to bluff them then to fold which is obviously 0 ev.

So you've gone from probably to definitely in 2 sentences. Clearly you've got flaws in your thought process.

nobody here calls AQ on that situation, AK is not worse than JJ, also 22-77 may not even be in his UTG range, so what now?

stop overvaluing your JJ,

depending on the situation i snap fold my queens pre-flop and it's probably the best play.

also i smile when some donkeys stackoff with JJ-QQ pre-flop against UTG raisers :-)

flatting KK or 3-betting has maaany variables to define which is the best play.

usually against super nits i flat my KK because they won't get in with QQ,
also against those guys i 3-bet all the night with AQ, KQ and AK, until they start opening their ****ing range up i'll 3-bet light with those "marginal" holdings.

why AK, KQ, AQ? because they have blockers, also i don't like flatting KQ or AQ against those guys unless it's suited so i'm inviting some fish to play a multi-way pot and cooler them.

just don't 3-bet JJ-QQ against almost any villain when he is opening UTG(if it's a reg and isn't a loose reg), just call and play post-flop, i know it's weak to say: "set-mine those jacks/queens", but it's like it, you're almost always trying to have an overpair and get a cbet from villain's PPs and A high, then taking a small pot, or winning a big pot when you're facing set over set or set over an overpair or TPTK(if he is terribad).

I used the conditional "probably" in two separate posts to be consistent. And never used, "definitely" in any. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

But how about we try and stay on the argument. Assuming the Villain is opening aoubt 10% from UTG+1, then he's going to have to stack off a minimum of about 2% of hands to keep us from betting any two cards. This doesn't prove that raising is better than calling, but it does mean that QQ, AKs need to stacking off.