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Jamming the whales Jamming the whales

03-05-2017 , 06:24 PM
What are your opinions on jamming into whales who show interest in pot on drawy board? Specifically the following scenario.

Whale is 65/2, and has overplayed a weak draw at least once or twice. Definitely the aggressive type.

Now I understand I crush whales' turn bet range here, but does his call jam range tighten up? Can an expert whale hunter answer this?

Also is my line good? I am the only one in the hand with <55 vpip over 40+ hands.

    Pacific, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37660297

    SB: $6.87 (68.7 bb)
    BB: $3.75 (37.5 bb)
    UTG+2: $23.12 (231.2 bb)
    MP1: $10 (100 bb)
    Hero (MP2): $11.53 (115.3 bb)
    MP3: $16.71 (167.1 bb)
    CO: $11.17 (111.7 bb)
    BTN: $10.14 (101.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K K
    UTG+2 calls $0.10, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $0.36, MP3 calls $0.36, 2 folds, SB calls $0.31, BB folds, UTG+2 calls $0.26

    Flop: ($1.54) 9 J T (4 players)
    SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $0.77, MP3 calls $0.77, SB calls $0.77, UTG+2 calls $0.77

    Turn: ($4.62) 3 (4 players)
    SB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.81, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10.40, MP3 calls $8.59

    River: ($25.42) Q (2 players)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $25.42 pot ($1.27 rake)
    Final Board: 9 J T 3 Q
    SB mucked and lost (-$1.13 net)
    UTG+2 mucked and lost (-$1.13 net)
    Hero showed K K and won $24.15 ($12.62 net)
    MP3 showed 9 T and lost (-$11.53 net)



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    Last edited by pokerforumposter; 03-05-2017 at 06:42 PM.
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    03-06-2017 , 10:12 AM
    weak squeeze. just for that you lose a lot of your equity against 4villains, from turn check/call, check/call river too, (well on the river depend on size and card) but check raising the tun you only get call from 2pair or better sometimes AA.
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    03-08-2017 , 06:26 AM
    Bet more on flop. Raise turn, but don't jam!
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    03-11-2017 , 06:49 PM
    Yeah bet more flop.
    I think this is an interesting line, def not standard but might be the best play given your read.
    Your line looks drawy so I would feel confident your jam is +ev against this whale.

    -The turn is hard spot given that there are 4 people in the hand and the flop hits a lot of their ranges
    -Checking seems grand to me
    -When the whale that you have a read on bets and everyone else in the pot gets out of the way I think raising is the best play.
    -Maybe raising to $4.5 (giving him the chance to bluff) would be more +ev though

    Interested to know what other people think, even though the play is not standard he has a very relevant read on the villain:

    "Whale is 65/2, and has overplayed a weak draw at least once or twice. Definitely the aggressive type. " With players like this I am looking for an excuse to get it in the middle
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