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I need a refresher on the most basic ideas I need a refresher on the most basic ideas

05-09-2015 , 06:03 PM
I hurt my head recently, and can barely remember how to play the basics.
This was played on Zoom with absolutely no HUD info.
Most answers here will be "it depends", but are there any obvious basic review tips where the HUD doesn't matter?
(Like if you get 72 in UTG, you should probably fold most times. I had to re-learn that even)

1) Q6s in SB. Limp, fold, or raise?

2) K6 OTB. Limps to hero. Limp, fold, or raise?

3) TT in LP. Hero bets $10. 3 calls. Flop comes Axx. V1 bets. Fold?

4) KJ in LP. V1 bets $12. Hero calls. Flop comes KA5. V1 $15 c-bet. V2 calls. Fold?

5) A9 OTB. All limp in. Hero bets $15. 1 caller. Flop comes J9X. Cbet?

6) 64 OTB. V1 bets 5. V1 bets 20. Fold?

7) 44 in MP. Limp, fold, or raise?

8) 95 in BB. Limp, fold, or raise?

9) A9 OTB. Hero bets $15. 2 calls. Flop is QJ9. Check or bet?

10) A9 in CO. V1 bets 10. 3 calls. Limp, fold, or raise?

11) TT in EP. Limp, fold, or raise?
05-10-2015 , 03:02 AM
1) fold
2) fold
3) call, evaluate turn
4) fold pre, now fold flop
5) I like to check these spots, probably delayed cbet turn if checked too
6) snap fold
7) limp (assuming this is 1/2 live, online I raise)
8)check or fold
9) check/fold... Flop smashes limp/calling ranges
10)fold (high chance you're dominated)
11) raise

If this is live you might get better responses if you post this in the low stakes live no limit sub forum.
05-10-2015 , 03:57 AM
1) If folded to you raise
2) fold
3) fold
4) Pre you are squeeze or fold, better fold, the flop is fold.
5) cbet and know which turns to barell on
6) fold
7) raise
8) fold
9) check/fold
10) fold
11) raise
05-12-2015 , 08:55 PM
Thanks for the replies.

If you both said the same thing, I will consider it a standard play.

K6 OTB = Fold
KJ in LP is a fold. Wow!
64 OTB = Fold.
05-12-2015 , 08:55 PM
Excite, why did you say TT in LP is a fold, yet TT in EP is a raise ?
05-12-2015 , 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by legionrainfall
7) 44 in MP. Limp, fold, or raise?
Quote:
Originally Posted by ExciteD
7) raise
Raising these small pockets in a live low stakes game is just setting money on fire when you're probably going to go 4 way, possibly 6 ways to the flop. Far to often you'll open to $10 or $12, hijack will call, co will call, btn and blinds will feel priced in and call and suddenly we are in a $60 pot, in a **** position against 5 opponents with 3 over cards on the board.
05-12-2015 , 09:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by legionrainfall
Excite, why did you say TT in LP is a fold, yet TT in EP is a raise ?
He meant fold when you get V donk bets into you on an A board. Which is totally fine. But I really hate folding a pair to one bet, V doesn't necessarily have to have the ace and I'd much rather call and re-evaluate turn.
05-13-2015 , 02:19 AM
This 200NL zoom? If you're confused about basic spots like those I would play lower stakes.

1) raise
2) raise if limper is loose and can fold, fold otherwise
3) fold (someone probably has an ace)
4) fold for same reason as #3, also pre might be a fold depending on position of the raiser
5) bet or check is fine, bet if caller is really fishy
6) fold
7) Don't ever limp. Really depends on how you construct your range...some people like to raise all PPs some like to raise more SCs. In MP2 or HJ definitely raise.
8) you can't limp in the BB lol...just take a free flop
9) Check it back. Horrible flop to bluff and betting will be turning your hand into a bluff.
10) you can't limp if someone raised lol...fold A9o, A9s you can squeeze if you want
11) raise you nit!
05-13-2015 , 02:55 AM
You play live don't you riverrat? You never limp?
05-13-2015 , 03:32 AM
Ah, went back and read the OP... 200NL zoom. Wow, OP is going to get destroyed. I thought this must be 1/2 live.

Yeah, raise 44, never limp.

If this is online 200 what's with all the limping and the $10 and $12 opens? That's what made me think it was 1/2 live.

OP did you happen to add a "$" sign instead of a "c" sign, that would make a lot more sense.

Generally at online stakes above 2c a standard open is between 2 and 3.5x the big blind with 2 being on the low side (except on the button) and 3.5 being rather large.
05-13-2015 , 03:46 AM
Don`t limp absolutely anything, friendly advice: You would get absolutely destroyed at $0.10/$0.25, don`t ever think about 1$/2$, online poker is much more advanced.
05-13-2015 , 07:18 AM
This is from $1/$2 live cash.

I am break even after 20 sessions of about 3 hours each.
Typical buy in is $150, with 1 optional reload.

Any basic advice is appreciated.
Next time I play, I will try to not limp into any hands.
That will be very very hard, as I will have to fold all marginal hands,
or even worse, when in position, raise (and c-bet) with marginal hands, which is very counter-intuitive.
05-13-2015 , 07:42 AM
Yeah okay, that makes more sense. I thinking limping small pockets as SCs in LLSNL is perfectly fine. Refer to my earlier post wrt to live.
05-13-2015 , 08:39 PM
Thanks for the basic guidelines.
It seems like you guys are all for raising with TT but limping with lower PP's
05-13-2015 , 09:20 PM
It's a live vs online difference. Live people see a lot fewer hands so they are a lot more eager to play the hands they do get so limping/calling ranges are super wide. Online it's a lot easier for people to be patient and fold their trash.

So online you can raise your small PPs from MP and later and most of the time you'll end up heads up against one opponent where a PP has a lot more in and of itself. Live on the other hand you can get multiple callers and when you have 44 against five other players on the flop the hands only real value is in flopping a set. Plus the fact that it's multi-way and players are usually worse means you have pretty good implied odds to set mine and stack someone when you hit.
05-13-2015 , 10:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogarse
1) fold
2) fold
3) call, evaluate turn
4) fold pre, now fold flop
5) I like to check these spots, probably delayed cbet turn if checked too
6) snap fold
7) limp (assuming this is 1/2 live, online I raise)
8)check or fold
9) check/fold... Flop smashes limp/calling ranges
10)fold (high chance you're dominated)
11) raise

If this is live you might get better responses if you post this in the low stakes live no limit sub forum.
Same but

3) Fold
5) Always cbet
7) Fold. 66 or better
9) why the **** are you opening to 15! Depends on suits. Check.
05-14-2015 , 06:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogarse
It's a live vs online difference. Live people see a lot fewer hands so they are a lot more eager to play the hands they do get so limping/calling ranges are super wide. Online it's a lot easier for people to be patient and fold their trash.

So online you can raise your small PPs from MP and later and most of the time you'll end up heads up against one opponent where a PP has a lot more in and of itself. Live on the other hand you can get multiple callers and when you have 44 against five other players on the flop the hands only real value is in flopping a set. Plus the fact that it's multi-way and players are usually worse means you have pretty good implied odds to set mine and stack someone when you hit.
Thank you. That makes sense. So, low PP is ok in head's up, but is a lot weaker in muti-way. Like if flop comes Q8A, there is a good chance your 44 is already beat by someone.

I now understand why you might raise big with low PP. You will lose against 5 players, but might be ok with head's up ?
05-14-2015 , 06:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeyJoJo Shabadu
Same but

3) Fold
5) Always cbet
7) Fold. 66 or better
9) why the **** are you opening to 15! Depends on suits. Check.
9) Why always c-bet #5, yet check #9 ?
05-16-2015 , 01:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by legionrainfall
9) Why always c-bet #5, yet check #9 ?
Flop texture, 3 handed.

I feel like either your trolling everyone to get them to play $2 zoom or you shouldnt be playing that high.
05-16-2015 , 11:30 AM
If someone thought this was 200NL ZOOM, even if OP stated it, should just autoban themselves from poker. Limp, limp, limp lol.
05-16-2015 , 02:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tultfill
If someone thought this was 200NL ZOOM, even if OP stated it, should just autoban themselves from poker. Limp, limp, limp lol.
This. Something about the OP doesn't add up.

OP, if you really have had a head injury that has caused memory problems, you probably should be focusing on other things besides poker.

If that is just some turn of phrase, these HHs still don't make sense for 200nl zoom.
05-17-2015 , 06:40 AM
I am not sure what is not making sense.
I am playing $1/$2 No limit Live cash game.
I am not going to be playing with anyone on this forum.

Ok, so if a multi-way pot, it's harder to C-bet bluff with 2 people.
Is a C-bet bluff only when you're head's up?
05-17-2015 , 07:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by legionrainfall
I am not sure what is not making sense.
I am playing $1/$2 No limit Live cash game.
I am not going to be playing with anyone on this forum.

Ok, so if a multi-way pot, it's harder to C-bet bluff with 2 people.
Is a C-bet bluff only when you're head's up?
Probably bc you say in your OP that the hands were played at zoom and you mention HUDs.

Plus, this is a forum for online play. There is a separate forum for live.
05-17-2015 , 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tultfill
If someone thought this was 200NL ZOOM, even if OP stated it, should just autoban themselves from poker. Limp, limp, limp lol.
Quote:
Originally Posted by legionrainfall
This was played on Zoom with absolutely no HUD info.
It didn't sound right but hey, some live 1/2 players who have no clue that online poker is 10x harder jump into 200NL thinking they won't die a swift death.

OP how did you hurt your head?
05-19-2015 , 02:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
It didn't sound right but hey, some live 1/2 players who have no clue that online poker is 10x harder jump into 200NL thinking they won't die a swift death.

OP how did you hurt your head?
Pretty obvious. Banged it against the 1/2 live glass ceiling.
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