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Old 07-13-2012, 08:04 PM   #1
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how do I improve non-showdown winnings?

I notice my non showdown winnings need work. I'm not sure how bad exactly it is but in HEM when I divide the non-showdown winnings by the showdown winnings, I get about 70%

I have a feeling its because I fold too often with hands OOP like KJ, K10, midpairs after calling preflop. I feel I should post some of my stats on here for feedback but I dont know which ones to select.

I was running at about 4bb/100 at 25nl after 400k hands. but I tried moving up to 50nl and after 58k hands I'm almost break even at 1bb/100. I was running bad with a lot of bad beats in big pots, but I also feel that my big leak is non showdown winnings. I played 50nl zoom, and I believe that because people's ranges are generally tighter when they get it allin at zoom, my showdown winnings would drop.. and so I need to improve my NSW to get my winrate back up on par with 25nl

my trouble hands are spots like:


1. playing OOP against steals with small-mid pairs, and J10s-KQ in the blinds. I am not sure what to do against an unknown player. 3 bet? call and then check/fold when missed? second option seems like a leak, because you won't make a hand often enough. I feel 3 betting is the best, but some people say its a mistake. sometimes with a hand like KQ I would call, then check/raise on a dry board like 10 2 5, but only if I have some kind of read that they steal often but fold often to a raise

2. cbetting with hands like KQ when the board is A 2 6, when they call I just give up on the turn, unless I have a read they fold to 2nd barrels.

3. folding too much to resteals. for example I have KJ, SC, or Ax on the button and raise 2.5x, small blind reraise to 6.5x total. should I be calling these? against a full stack I'd probably opt to call. but what about short stacks?


other than those three types of scenarios, I think I have a pretty solid game. I think I value bet enough times, I don't slow play, I am positionally aware, I make good laydowns, I dont play on tilt that often, but I could be leaking elsewhere that Im not aware of.

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Old 07-13-2012, 08:37 PM   #2
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Re: how do I improve non-showdown winnings?

3bet the right stuff against the right ppl in the right spots and barrel appropriately and your redline will go up

also making poor river calls will make your redline go up

most winning nl50 players have negative redlines
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Old 07-14-2012, 12:37 AM   #3
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Re: how do I improve non-showdown winnings?

Whenever you enter a pot, enter with the mentality that you will win it, no matter what cards come on Flop, Turn or River, neither your cards , no matter what your opponent does, you are gonna win the pot by pure aggression -

Another way to improve your red line is Shoving every single hand PF-

Be creative, there are a lot of things you can do to improve your red line.
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Old 07-14-2012, 06:35 AM   #4
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Hand read better. Steal more from late position. Apply lots of pressure to weak ranges on the right boards especially on turns and rivers. Value bet thinner on rivers. Generally sniff out spots where you can make villains fold and do what you have to do to make them fold.
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Old 07-14-2012, 08:36 PM   #5
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Re: how do I improve non-showdown winnings?

if you never fold postflop your redline is going to be fine

seriously, what pokerarb and njd77 are saying is good.
not sure if kristiano is kidding or what.

and green line>>>>>>>>>>>>red line. (not that is not important though)
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